22-05-2003 06:37									#1
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http://www.philly.com/mld/philly/news/local/5906988.htm

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quote: After a year of deploying police to patrol neighborhood drug corners under Operation Safe Streets, city officials now plan to send officers to fight the bane of Center City sidewalks: panhandlers. Police Commissioner Sylvester M. Johnson confirmed yesterday that a crackdown on aggressive street beggars would begin in "the very near future." ...The move comes as Mayor Street is seeking reelection and will again need votes from the typically white, typically liberal residents of Center City. Street will face (Republican) Sam Katz in November.

Center city is one of those gentrified areas of philly that is now the home of all these rich liberal cracker snobs. apparently, the 'suffering' liberals can't stand to have impoverished people near them...

and what's next? I heard there was also a push to get rid of, not simple beggers, but even street vendors! legitimate business men many of whom are either immigrants or have been working in the vending business their whole lives and have parents who were also at it...

also...

quote: Johnson said the plan was not yet complete but promised that the crackdown would not divert police resources from emergency calls or other areas of the city. "It might entail some overtime, but we will not be taking officers from other districts and divisions," he said.

yeah that's what they said about Operation Safe Streets and that diverted all the cops to North philly leaving everywhere else crime-ridden... great! let's stick all the police in bourgeious crackerville so they can clear the streets of the poor!


once again... the ****ing liberals showing their compassion...


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	22-05-2003 06:41									#2
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I think this is actually a good idea. In most cities vagrancy and panhandling are crimes and as we've learned time and time again if we ignore the graffitti, broken windows, pan handling, and what not then we WILL get more crime and more serious crime. It is a slippery slope.

Did anyone read about who Rudy cleaned up NY and slashed the crime rate? He went after all the little crimes thus making the city more livable and the criminals off of the streets. Now, NY is actually a nice place to live again. Compare that to 15 or 20 years ago.

	22-05-2003 06:43									#3
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it's a crime to ask people for money? that's crazy

and the other thing to note is that the police are going to be in rich center city... there's beggers all over the city but for some odd reason, the beggers in the gutters of the city is going to be ignored but as soon as beggers are in the rich white area... oh no! bring the police!

	22-05-2003 06:47									#4
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I'm a white liberal, but I'm not rich, and I certainly don't support police action of this nature. Just remember tha we're not all alike, Albert...

	22-05-2003 06:47									#5
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quote: rich liberals

	22-05-2003 06:52									#6
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can someone please explain to me why there is no effort to get the beggers off the streets in actually bad neighbourhoods... isnt that what Guiliani did? he stopped the petty crime in the gutter, right?

why are the philly pd now going to mess with beggers only in the rich areas of the city?

	22-05-2003 07:15									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer it's a crime to ask people for money? that's crazy

It's called vagrency and it is most certainly enforced in many cities.

	22-05-2003 07:18									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer why are the philly pd now going to mess with beggers only in the rich areas of the city?

Hmm, probably because he doesn't care about the poor parts of the city or he doesn't have the money to have officers every where so he's going to help out the people that butter his bread for him.

If you really want to clean up a city you follow Rudy's "broken window" plan and make sure every part of the city is clean, neat, and orderly. then you enforce all the laws and you throw the book at people who break them. If this could turn NY from the cess pit it was into the nice place it is then I'm a believer.

	22-05-2003 07:50									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Asher quote: rich liberals

Actually, the proper phrase is "limosine liberals."

	22-05-2003 07:52									#10
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John, Iain gave me an amusing name for them in the UK: Champaigne Socialists .

	22-05-2003 08:17									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin Hmm, probably because he doesn't care about the poor parts of the city or he doesn't have the money to have officers every where so he's going to help out the people that butter his bread for him. If you really want to clean up a city you follow Rudy's "broken window" plan and make sure every part of the city is clean, neat, and orderly. then you enforce all the laws and you throw the book at people who break them. If this could turn NY from the cess pit it was into the nice place it is then I'm a believer.

Actually Guiliani only cleaned up commercial and upper-class areas. Poor areas of the city didn't see much change.

	22-05-2003 08:18									#12
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The drop in the crime rate says other wise.

	22-05-2003 08:29									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer it's a crime to ask people for money? that's crazy

As far as I can see, not in itself. However, there are unfortunate side effects to having a lot of people begging on the streets, so the long term effect is the neighbourhood becomes run down, and other criminals start to move in.

	22-05-2003 08:31									#14
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Well from what I know of the reputation of the Philly police department, I'd just be happy that they're busy with dealing with someone besides me...

	22-05-2003 08:35									#15
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Of course, the prevalence of beggars on the streets points to the fundamental flaws in the system itself. Begging is just a symptom, not a cause.

	22-05-2003 08:52									#16
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to taking action against pamhandlers. At least in Pittsburgh, the city provides them with government coupons for food and provides them with shelter. Of course, said coupons can't be used for beer and alcohol, so they need to panhandle for that. Also, in many cases panhandlers do have homes or even jobs, they just panhandle for extra money. They are often agressive and deceiptful in their actions. So to anti-panhandling regulations.

	22-05-2003 09:03									#17
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Shi, you're a dirty rich liberal!

	22-05-2003 09:17									#18
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nonono, i am a libertarian in the speer mythology, which is like a liberal except with extra evil

	22-05-2003 09:41									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer it's a crime to ask people for money? that's crazy

If you apply for a loan at a bank, no. If you get in someone's face on the street, it can be.

quote: and the other thing to note is that the police are going to be in rich center city... there's beggers all over the city but for some odd reason, the beggers in the gutters of the city is going to be ignored but as soon as beggers are in the rich white area... oh no! bring the police!

We have to do something to keep you common rabble and peasants from messing up our part of town.

	22-05-2003 09:43									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi nonono, i am a libertarian in the speer mythology, which is like a liberal except with extra evil

Either way, we're gonna ship you to Cuba just to be safe!

	22-05-2003 09:49									#21
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Awesome. After nearly a year of Pittsburgh weather, I am ready for Cuban exile.

	22-05-2003 12:24									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Boshko Well from what I know of the reputation of the Philly police department, I'd just be happy that they're busy with dealing with someone besides me...

Yea, they are the only police department in the country that I know about whose bomb squad makes and deploys bombs rather than just disarming them.

	22-05-2003 19:45									#23
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Oerdin:

quote: Hmm, probably because he doesn't care about the poor parts of the city or he doesn't have the money to have officers every where so he's going to help out the people that butter his bread for him.

First of all, i don't see what the problem is with someone asking for money. it might be a slight nuisance but ultimately, what's the harm? It also starts the slippery slope of having street vendors be taken out next (many of whom do advertise by calling out) which would be ludicrious...

now if he was going to have this program, fine, but i don't understand why it is being done only in the rich, very nice area of the city. Again, it seems that the Democrats are only caring about the constituents that supply them with the most campaign money...

quote: If you really want to clean up a city you follow Rudy's "broken window" plan and make sure every part of the city is clean, neat, and orderly.

Mayor Street has an anti-blight program... the problem is that it only is being done in north philly. I have a suspicion that he is ignoring other areas of philly that voted less solidly in his favour the last election (when he won 51%-49%)


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Libertarians are not that bad... i can at least take consolation in the fact that libertarians have almost no support whereas liberals are fairly strong so i don't fear libertarians at all...

besides, the libertarian candidate for governor in the last election, Ken Krawchuck, came to my school... he was hilarious. ever seen him in action? in a debate or rally or anything? he's a nut...


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	22-05-2003 19:48									#24
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quote: it seems that the Democrats are only caring about the constituents that supply them with the most campaign money...

that's politics... you think the Republicans are any different?

And isn't it ironic some complaining about a Democrat who won a close election.

	22-05-2003 20:38									#25
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This isn;t pro-liberal Speer, this is pro-Rich, and that should not surprise you.

Question: how many fellow conservatives and (to be)registered republicans live in the neighborhood you live in?

	22-05-2003 21:13									#26
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"Libertarians are not that bad... i can at least take consolation in the fact that libertarians have almost no support whereas liberals are fairly strong so i don't fear libertarians at all..."

OF course, you don't need to feed the extreme libertarians at all who are in their own party. However, moderate Libertrians such as Ming or myself are more of a problem for you, since we can corrupt the GOP from within

	22-05-2003 23:20									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer First of all, i don't see what the problem is with someone asking for money. it might be a slight nuisance but ultimately, what's the harm?

Read your own article, you chugnut. It's "Aggressive begging". In other words, a minor step down from extracting money through menaces.

	22-05-2003 23:25									#28
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Good move for Philly.

	23-05-2003 00:14									#29
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John Street is a bum

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GePap:

While registered republicans are rare, my neighbourhood voted pretty good for the Republican Sam Katz last election and will probably do so again. the puerto rican areas of the city tend to be more conservative and especially anti-Street as there is some sentiment that Street's programs are racially biased in favour of blacks.

no one the **** is bothered by the fact that the rich people are acting like, there's a poor begger on our block! bring the police!