23-05-2003 06:58									#31
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quote: How does someone deserve to be abused because they just wanted to sing?

If they 'just wanted to sing', they never would have tried out. Face it, Boris, they WANTED to be judged. That's the point of the show. They judged by the people of America. And believe me, we say worse things than Simon does at these people!

quote: What kind of ****ed up system of morality is it to say people who don't meet your standard of talent are worthy of being publicly humiliated?

Who says it has anything to do with morality? I just want to be entertained, and people with crap voices getting humiliated because they thought they were the best in America is funny as Hell.

quote: They're playing to the lowest denomenator, and you're lapping it up. Woohoo, good for you!

Doesn't bother me any.

quote: Delighting in the misery of others is an all too-common human preoccupation, but that doesn't make it anything to which I want to aspire.

That's fine, don't aspire to it. I'll keep up the slack .

	23-05-2003 09:09									#32
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I heard today that Simon won't be back next season. He wants to go back to England.

I wonder if the vote difference jumped from 1,300 to 130,000 after the Drudge Report carried a story about calls for an audit. Execs from other networks claim that, for the vote to be that close, the producers of Idol had to be fixing the numbers in order to pump up the excitement level.

Oh yeah, and bring back Dunklemannnnnnnnnnnnnn!

	23-05-2003 09:11									#33
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quote: Execs from other networks claim that, for the vote to be that close, the producers of Idol had to be fixing the numbers in order to pump up the excitement level.

They would claim that .

	23-05-2003 09:16									#34
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Boris: By you know, you should know what the show is like and that if you go up you risk harsh rebuke by Simon. They know (or should know) what they are getting into so you shouldn't feel too sorry for them. For the most part AI singers have given me the impression of annoying, arrogant, preppies who could use being brought back down to Earth.

	23-05-2003 09:55									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Oh, and rah, I liked Clay too... but though he oversang every song (didn't like that).

Because he actually sang, instead of just standing there? I don't blame Ruben though, he probably just couldn't suck in enough oxygen to hit the notes like Clay can.

quote: The best guy won too, IMO.

The best guy WILL win.

quote: Flying Without Wings/Superstar [CD-SINGLE] Ruben Studdard Product Details Audio CD (June 3, 2003) Number of Discs: 1 Label: Rca ASIN: B00009PRZE Amazon.com Sales Rank: 2 This Is The Night/On The Wings Of Love [CD-SINGLE] Clay Aiken Product Details Audio CD (June 10, 2003) Number of Discs: 1 Label: Rca ASIN: B00009PRZF Amazon.com Sales Rank: 1

BTW, when Clay's hit #1, Rub was still floating along at #32. He's lucky he's getting released first, because when Clay's gets released, it's going to blow him out of the water.

	23-05-2003 09:57									#36
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And Britney Spears was also #1 at some point.... so? Ruben was the better Idol. He won. All these people that live for Clay should get over it, IMO.

	23-05-2003 10:05									#37
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Yeah, and if Brittney Spears was in a competition with someone, I'd say she's won, but she wasn't and is thus irrelevant to this topic.

I don't LIVE for Clay. And I actually like Ruben, I just think he's boring. And he doesn't have fans like Clay, and he's not going to do as well as Clay, and he was praised continually while Clay was ridiculed, and the voting system was not made to be fair. It should be like 3-5 votes per household.

	23-05-2003 10:10									#38
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Here's a question: does anyone know how AmIdol is counting votes? Can you call in as many times as you want? A collegue said you could keep calling and getting the same "thanks for voting" message. Never tried it myself. If you can vote as often as you like, that kind of defeats the purpose doesn't it?

	23-05-2003 10:17									#39
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You can vote as many times as you want, but, depending on what part of the country you live in, you will get a busy signal a lot, especially Tues night.

And yes, it does defeat the purpose. Time, and CD sales, will show.

	23-05-2003 10:22									#40
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I was and still am a big Clay fan. I think he should have won. I have to agree with Tandee, at amazon.com Clay's presales already have him in the #1 spot and Ruben was at 368.

	23-05-2003 11:07									#41
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quote: The first few shows are the best, when the worst, who think they are the best, get chewed out.

Ive only seen one episode of this show, and it was one of the first ones... those losers are so rediculous. I may be a terrible singer, but I at least have the brain to know the obvious

quote: Simon is my favorite judge, by far. He tells it like it is .

No, he doesnt. He exagerates peoples faults terribly in order to attempt to be funny... which he addmitedly is... i feel guilty when i laugh...

	23-05-2003 11:13									#42
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I watched about half of it this time around.
*hangs head in shame*
And Simon is far and away the best bit, it just hasn't been the same since the idiots who tried argueing with him got kicked off I can have a little sympathy who got flamed by him last year, but this time around people should know what to expect and if their egos are big enough that they think that Simon will never insult them then they deserve what's coming to them.

	23-05-2003 22:13									#43
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quote: I don't LIVE for Clay. And I actually like Ruben, I just think he's boring. And he doesn't have fans like Clay, and he's not going to do as well as Clay, and he was praised continually while Clay was ridiculed, and the voting system was not made to be fair. It should be like 3-5 votes per household.

Yes, Clay was sooo ridiculed. Especially when Simon said 'I think you should win this competition' in around Week 4 and 'That song could win you the competition' on Tuesday.

That is the MAIN problem I have with Clay-fans. I've run into this on other message boards (Straight Dope). They all seem to think it is a conspiracy against Clay, which I don't understand because it is obvious that the judges were trying to get a Ruben-Clay final. It ain't like Simon didn't say Clay was good. He did, constantly. And if he didn't Paula and Randy wanted to drop down and suck his **** after every performance!

Yeah, I'd like 3-5 votes per household... then Ruben would have won by MORE . Clay is lucky in that most of his fans were teenage girls (you couldn't tell by who was yelling when Clay's name came up during the finale?). As you know, teenage girls tend to go to the mat more for the people they think are 'cute'. I mean, seriously, look at Titanic. They didn't go to that because they liked the movie, they went to see Leonardo De Caprio. Same with AI. They saw Clay as shy and a little dorky, and cute, and they voted by the truckloads for him. So yea, bring it on!

Ruben won... and people love the velvet teddy bear. I'm just tired of people telling me I was manipulated into liking him by the judges, when its my personal choice that he was better!

	24-05-2003 03:20									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yes, Clay was sooo ridiculed. Especially when Simon said 'I think you should win this competition' in around Week 4 and 'That song could win you the competition' on Tuesday.

Yeah, sure, he was praised SOMETIMES. I didn't say never.

quote: They all seem to think it is a conspiracy against Clay,

Isn't it funny how I didn't say it was a conspiracy. If you have a problem with other Clay fans, maybe you should go talk to them.

quote: which I don't understand because it is obvious that the judges were trying to get a Ruben-Clay final.

So you admit that they were manipulative? The fact is that Clay had fans in spite of the judges' treatment of him, while Ruben constantly had to be pushed (especially after, oops, he got put in the bottom two).

quote: Yeah, I'd like 3-5 votes per household... then Ruben would have won by MORE .

Well, I disagree, but we'll never know.... oh wait, we will. We just have to see who sells more CDs. Oh yeah, that would be... CLAY.
If the voting had been fair, and Ruben had won, then fine. I don't care, I just wish it was fair.

quote: Clay is lucky in that most of his fans were teenage girls (you couldn't tell by who was yelling when Clay's name came up during the finale?). As you know, teenage girls tend to go to the mat more for the people they think are 'cute'.

Hello, almost ALL of the fans of AI are teenage girls. Did the deep Ruuben yells trick you?

quote: I mean, seriously, look at Titanic. They didn't go to that because they liked the movie, they went to see Leonardo De Caprio.

Yeah, that's What's Eating Gilbert Grape (or whatever) was such a box office hit. Or look at The Beach, which was made for the specific purpose of showing Leonardo off. It did SOOO well.

quote: Same with AI. They saw Clay as shy and a little dorky, and cute, and they voted by the truckloads for him. So yea, bring it on!

Well I can't speak for "them," but I love Clay because of his amazing voice.

	24-05-2003 03:26									#45
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Clay is so fake acting.

	24-05-2003 03:33									#46
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quote: Isn't it funny how I didn't say it was a conspiracy.

You insinuated it.

quote: So you admit that they were manipulative?

Yeah, in favor of the people they thought were the best.

quote: The fact is that Clay had fans in spite of the judges' treatment of him

Yeah, being told that you should win the competition is soooo bad . Bet you had to batton down the hatches for that.

quote: We just have to see who sells more CDs. Oh yeah, that would be... CLAY.

Seeing as the CDs haven't been released, it seems this may be a bit more premature. Come back after 5 years and we'll compare figures.

quote: Hello, almost ALL of the fans of AI are teenage girls. Did the deep Ruuben yells trick you?

BULL. Just because all the Clay fans are teenage girls doesn't mean all the fans of AI are teen girls . Ruben appealed to a greater cross section. Older women, Men, teenage guys, and yes, even some teenage girls.

As for the deep RUUUUBEN... I don't see a teenage girl making that noise.

quote: Yeah, that's What's Eating Gilbert Grape (or whatever) was such a box office hit. Or look at The Beach, which was made for the specific purpose of showing Leonardo off. It did SOOO well.

Are you actually saying they went to see Titanic because that piece of crap movie was GOOD?!

	24-05-2003 03:34									#47
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Slowwhand is so dumb talking.

	24-05-2003 03:35									#48
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Why do you say that, Tandee ?

Here's where I get in trouble.
Clay makes starchild appear a manly man.

	24-05-2003 03:38									#49
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Usually I'm fine with Simon, but he told this one girl that she looked like a drag queen, and I thought that was out of line.

	24-05-2003 03:42									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Yeah, being told that you should win the competition is soooo bad . Bet you had to batton down the hatches for that.

I don't believe he said that he should win, I believe he said, "You're the one to beat," as in, "Hey, Ruben, beat this guy." And, "That song could win you the competition," as in, "Damn! You might win!" The judges didn't really get behind Clay until they realized how much fan power he had. All they could say was, "Yeah, you've got a great voice, but you're so ugly."

quote: Seeing as the CDs haven't been released, it seems this may be a bit more premature. Come back after 5 years and we'll compare figures.

BRING IT ON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

quote: BULL. Just because all the Clay fans are teenage girls doesn't mean all the fans of AI are teen girls . Ruben appealed to a greater cross section. Older women, Men, teenage guys, and yes, even some teenage girls.

How do you know that Clay doesn't appeal to these demographics as well. You're going by audience alone, which is a pretty slim percentage.

quote: As for the deep RUUUUBEN... I don't see a teenage girl making that noise.

Well then you're an idiot because it's not that difficult of a sound to make. I can do it. I'm 20. Do I count as a teenage girl?

quote: Are you actually saying they went to see Titanic because that piece of crap movie was GOOD?!

Titanic wasn't that bad. If people hadn't liked it so much, you wouldn't hate it so much.

	24-05-2003 03:45									#51
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand Why do you say that, Tandee ?

I don't know, I guess I was just making fun of the way you said it. Sometimes Clay did seem fake, I think it was just cause he was nervous.

quote: Here's where I get in trouble. Clay makes starchild appear a manly man.

I don't care! I love his voice.

	24-05-2003 03:52									#52
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Monolith, Simon had it right on the "drag queen".
No, it wasn't nice, but it was accurate.
That's what Simon is paid for, not to gush (like Paula does).

	24-05-2003 07:01									#53
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quote: I don't believe he said that he should win, I believe he said, "You're the one to beat," as in, "Hey, Ruben, beat this guy." And, "That song could win you the competition," as in, "Damn! You might win!"

Do you actually believe the stuff you are saying? You are so interesting in saying the judges were putting down Clay that any praise now gets turned into a backhanded compliment?

PLEASE

quote: How do you know that Clay doesn't appeal to these demographics as well. You're going by audience alone, which is a pretty slim percentage.

Seems sufficient to me. And online the only people that seem to be all out for Clay are young women. I haven't yet seen a guy be 'Clay rocks, but the judges are trying to make Ruben win' but many young females have.

quote: Well then you're an idiot because it's not that difficult of a sound to make.

That's a deep male voice. If you watched the show, to say it is teenage girls making that sound, you must be moronic. So was it the young guys that were making the high pitched screams that you hear when Clay was announced? If not, then what were the young guys you saw in the crowd saying? Teenage girls trying to make their voices all deep like that? Again, please... that's a guy's voice.

And I dunno if Quentin Tarrentino is a teenage girl to you too.

quote: Titanic wasn't that bad.

Yeah, that's like saying Fez is a moderate.

quote: If people hadn't liked it so much, you wouldn't hate it so much.

No ****, sherlock! I wonder at how many of these morons could have such bad taste that they decided that movie was not only good, but good enough to deserve and Academy Award! It boggles the mind!

It's like Joey Ramone winning American Idol or something!

	24-05-2003 07:15									#54
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"Monolith, Simon had it right on the "drag queen".
No, it wasn't nice, but it was accurate."

No, he didn't. She was VERY attractive looking.

	24-05-2003 08:35									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui And online the only people that seem to be all out for Clay are young women...

...and JW.


Clay!

	24-05-2003 08:37									#56
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Well you are kind of womanly, aren't you?

	24-05-2003 10:59									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: I don't believe he said that he should win, I believe he said, "You're the one to beat," as in, "Hey, Ruben, beat this guy." And, "That song could win you the competition," as in, "Damn! You might win!" Do you actually believe the stuff you are saying? You are so interesting in saying the judges were putting down Clay that any praise now gets turned into a backhanded compliment? PLEASE

Don't you roll your eyes at me. It was a joke. You take yourself way too seriously.

quote: Seems sufficient to me. And online the only people that seem to be all out for Clay are young women.

Maybe the only "all out" ones, as you say, but I've seen other fans that he has.

quote: That's a deep male voice. If you watched the show, to say it is teenage girls making that sound, you must be moronic. So was it the young guys that were making the high pitched screams that you hear when Clay was announced?

I never said that it was guys screaming for Clay. Man, you just pull stuff out of your ass. I'm sorry if you don't believe me, but girls can very easily make that deep sound. It doesn't have to be in pitch or anything.

quote: And I dunno if Quentin Tarrentino is a teenage girl to you too.

Jesus Christ, I didn't say that there weren't any men making the noise, just that a lot of it was probably female, because the audience was mostly female.


Did you see Clay and Ruben on Larry King? I like Ruben, he's cool, it's hard to be mad at him. But I Clay.


Take some clues from your idol and chill out.

	24-05-2003 11:10									#58
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Ok well I love Clay and his voice and I'm certainly not a teenager So yes, us old foogies like him to.