23-05-2003 05:44									#1
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As the Russians famous KGB is known for intelligence and spying, the Hive should come up with our own coding system. The CyCon should not monopolise on the secrecy stakes, the Hive must compete. What I was hoping for was some friendly interfaction code breaking, so no ultra-hard encryption like 512bit key AES. We could go One-Time Pad for old time Cold War sake but that would be too mean and extremely difficult to crack, (unless someone intercepted the key).

I say we should start of easy maybe a simple subsitution cipher, although we should encrypt some of Russian and Chinese phrases to throw off people who are using frequency analysis.

If they managed to break it, we could go for Villeniuere (sp?) with a keyword.

All Hail the Glorious Hive!

key

abcdefghijklmnopqrstuvwxyz
funvoltairegsdqjphwkxbzymc


encrypted =
fggafigkaotqhiqxwaibo!


Now if anyone has information on how to decode the CyCon's message, feel free to add.

Last edited by Vev on 23-05-2003 at 05:51

	23-05-2003 06:07									#2
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Somebody try this...

Letter Binary Code A 01000001 B 01000010 C 01000011 D 01000100 E 01000101 F 01000110 G 01000111 H 01001000 I 01001001 J 01001010 K 01001011 L 01001100 M 01001101 N 01001110 O 01001111 P 01010000 Q 01010001 R 01010010 S 01010011 T 01010100 U 01010101 V 01010110 W 01010111 X 01011000 Y 01011001 Z 01011010

Letter Binary Code a 01100001 b 01100010 c 01100011 d 01100100 e 01100101 f 01100110 g 01100111 h 01101000 i 01101001 j 01101010 k 01101011 l 01101100 m 01101101 n 01101110 o 01101111 p 01110000 q 01110001 r 01110010 s 01110011 t 01110100 u 01110101 v 01110110 w 01110111 x 01111000 y 01111001 z 01111010

Sorry about the big space
Credit to: http://www.tekmom.com/buzzwords/binaryalphabet.html

	23-05-2003 06:17									#3
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They are using ascii, if you see a 00010100 that is a space

They have a offset system so work from the back in 8 bit batches

	23-05-2003 06:36									#4
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Well, Comrade Vev has cracked it. We have a complete transcript of a Cycon coded message. We MUST KEEP THIS HUSHED UP. DO NOT TELL THE CYCON

I reccommend Comrade Vev for the Order Of Lenin 1st Class.

-Jam

	23-05-2003 06:54									#5
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To Comrade Vev, for going beyond the call of duty in his service to the State, Party, and People of the Human Hive. Long live the Revolution! Long live the Human Hive!

-Chairman Voltaire

	23-05-2003 06:59									#6
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Actually it was pretty easy, it is only the offset that is confusing. If someone can find an alphabet subsitution program, that would be good. Later in the pipeline we might introduce other forms of coding once the program for it is written.

	23-05-2003 07:47									#7
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I have an Enigma Program installed in my computer. It works like the ones used in World War II. But I am not sure if this program is the one that you are looking for (Though it does Rearanges the letters around at the output)

	23-05-2003 07:53									#8
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That's cool! Can it do the 5 rotor version? The problem with Engima is that it si hard to crack by hand and unfortunately, I was hoping for code that is crackable so that people can have fun cracking it.

Last edited by Vev on 23-05-2003 at 07:59

	23-05-2003 10:53									#9
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Excellent work, Comrdae Vev. Your work has ensured the safety of the Hive and it's people. I think if we were to make our own code, we should either create our own, or combine different codes into one. Using an Engima type code might be easy to break once someone figures out what it actually is.

	23-05-2003 14:32									#10
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What about the "Huffman" Code?
It has a simple principle of encoding and decoding, but if you are not involved in that stuff, it is very confusing (since the letters have different numbers of bits, e for example has 1bit while Z has 6 bits).
If you like, I could create a formula using this. Just tell me

	23-05-2003 15:06									#11
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We must start de-coding CyCon messages, past and present, immediately!

	23-05-2003 16:23									#12
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That will be a good idea since the CyCons are getting really into their binary talk, and the Hive must know everything!

	23-05-2003 18:31									#13
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Yes! This may very well be the long needed Upper Hand(tm) that we will use!

	23-05-2003 19:13									#14
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I need a transcript of this very soon please

01001001011001100010000001111001011011110111010100

10000001100011011100100110000101100011011010110010

00000110100101110100001011000010000001101111011101

01001000000111011101101001011011100010000001100001

00101110001011100010111000100000011100000111001001

10100101111010011001010010000000111010011001010111

01100110100101101100011001110111001001101001011011

1000111010

-Jam

	23-05-2003 20:10									#15
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Did it myself :

code:

01001001 - 73  - I
01100110 - 102 - f
00100000 - 32  - SPACE
01111001 - 121 - y
01101111 - 111 - o
01110101 - 117 - u
00100000 - 32  - SPACE
01100011 - 99  - c
01110010 - 50  - 2
01100001 - 97  - a
01100011 - 99  - c
01101011 - 107 - k
00100000 - 32  - SPACE
01101001 - 105 - i
01110100 - 116 - t
00101100 - 44  - ,
00100000 - 32  - SPACE
01101111 - 111 - o
01110101 - 117 - u
00100000 - 32  - SPACE
01110111 - 119 - w
01101001 - 105 - i
01101110 - 110 - n
00100000 - 32  - SPACE
01100001 - 97  - a
00101110 - 46  - .
00101110 - 46  - .
00101110 - 46  - .
00100000 - 32  - SPACE
01110000 - 112 - p
01110010 - 114 - r
01101001 - 105 - i
01111010 - 112 - p
01100101 - 101 - e
00100000 - 32  - SPACE
00111010 - 58  - .
01100101 - 101 - e
01110110 - 118 - v
01101001 - 105 - i
01101100 - 108 - l
01100111 - 103 - g
01110010 - 114 - r
01101001 - 105 - i
01101110 - 110 - n
00111010 - 58  - .

	23-05-2003 20:23									#16
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Anybody can write a little program to decode this? It is really a hassle if we have to do it by hand.

	23-05-2003 20:28									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Vev That's cool! Can it do the 5 rotor version? The problem with Engima is that it si hard to crack by hand and unfortunately, I was hoping for code that is crackable so that people can have fun cracking it.

Suggestion. How about write it from right to left?

	23-05-2003 23:10									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Great issue Jam Googlie: 01010101100101101111011101010010000001101110011001 01011001010110010001100101011001000010000001100001 01101110011011110111010001101000011001010111001000 10000001100011011010000110000101110010011000110111 01000110010101110010001011100010000000100000010010 01011001100010000001110100011010000110010100100000 00110011011100100110010000100000011010010111001100 10000001100001011011100010000000110001001011000010 00000110010001100101011011000110010101110100011001 01001000000011010100100000001110100110010001101111 01101001011101000110111001101111011101110010000100 11101000100000011001010111001000101110001011100010 11100010000001001001001000000110110101100101011000 01011011100010111000101110001011100010000001110000 01101100011001010110000101110011011001010010000001 10111101101000001000000110110101101111011100110111 01000010000001100111011100100110000101100011011010 01011011110111010101110011001000000100011101101111 01100100001000000011101001100011011101010111010001 10010100111010

Finally cracked another one. Seems that they have some leading numbers that you need to get rid of. Have to work now but will work on this later.

"You needed another charcter. If the 3rd is an 1, delete 5 er... I mean... please oh most gracious God :cute"

	23-05-2003 23:16									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Googlie Drogue: 01010111100101100101011000010110100000100000001011 01001000000100100100100000011101000110100001101111 01110101011001110110100001110100001000000111011101 10010100100000011101110110010101110010011001010010 00000110111101101110001000000110010001100001011110 01011100110010000001101111011001100010000001110100 01101000011001010010000001110111011001010110010101 10101100100000001010000111010001101000011101010111 00100111001101100100011000010111100100101100001000 00011001000110010101101100011001010111010001100101 001000000011010000101001

"yeah - I thought we were on days of the week (thursday, delete 4)"

Sounds like this is pretty important stuff. Should we keep it a secret that we have cracked it?

	23-05-2003 23:30									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue To all: 01100010101110110010100100000011011100110010101100 10101100100001000000111010001101111001000000110110 10110000101101011011001010010000001110011011101010 11100100110010100100000011011110111010101110010001 00000011100000110111101110011011101000111001100100 00001110011011101000110000101110010011101000010000 00111011101101001011101000110100000100000011000010 11011100010000000110000001011000010000001110011011 01001011011100110001101100101001000000110000101101 10001101100001000000100001001101001011011100110000 10111001001111001001000000010100001001001010010010 10100100100001100101001001000000110010001101111011 00101011100110010110000100000011000010110111001100 10000100000011011110111010001101000011001010111001 00111011101101001011100110110010100100000011100000 11001010110111101110000011011000110010100100000011 10111011010010110110001101100001000000110011101110 10101100101011100110111001100100000011010010111010 00110000001110011001000000110000100100000011000110 11011110110010001100101001000000110111101101110001 00000011101000110100001100101001000000110011001110 01001101111011011100111010000101110

"We need to make sure our posts start with an 0, since all Binary (IIRC) does, and otherwise people will guess it`s a code on the front."

	23-05-2003 23:30									#21
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Whoops

Well, the cat is out now

-Jam

	23-05-2003 23:36									#22
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Sorry I ruined it by posting on the wrong board.

	23-05-2003 23:58									#23
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Anyway, here's the excel file I made if anybody cares to test it out. You need to copy the code in A1 and make sure you delete all spaces so that the entire number series consist only numbers. Then you delete the leading numbers so the length of string is multiples of 8. Then you hit ctrl x, and the macro will translate for you.

Although the last message he wrote to me seems to have changed a little. Anyway, here it is. If somebody cares to monitor the progress that would be great since they may very well change their code now since I mistakenly let the cat out. Hopefully this should still work. Who knows they may not be as bright as you would think.

Now if only I can think of a way to speed my report (for work, the real world, you know) which will be needed next Monday.

	23-05-2003 23:59									#24
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How do you attach a file?

	24-05-2003 00:02									#25
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I guess I can email it out if anybody wants it.

	24-05-2003 00:17									#26
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I'd like it... but I don't have excel Can you make a Java version? Or translate everything for us? It takes me ages to do it myself

-Jam

	24-05-2003 00:31									#27
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Sadly I don't know java. Plan to learn it one of these days.

Problem is that I'm really running out of time. Ahhh... Will attempt to translate more later. Mean while somebody please do it? Please?

	24-05-2003 00:51									#28
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Oh here is the last one I believe

"Well done Hong Hu You seem to have got that one. However why would such a superior faction use but one? "

I'm going home really soon (3:30). That would mean that I will not be able to be online for quite some time. Time at home = time spend with children. Monday is a holiday too that means I won't have much time on line until Tuesday. Jamski do you want me email you the file so you have it in case somebody want to use it?

	24-05-2003 01:11									#29
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quote: Originally posted by HongHu Sadly I don't know java. Plan to learn it one of these days. Problem is that I'm really running out of time. Ahhh... Will attempt to translate more later. Mean while somebody please do it? Please?

Comrade, I can probably do something with it. Please email the excel file to static23@softhome.net if you have time.

	24-05-2003 01:13									#30
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The other ones in the Pravda #4 thread

TKG:don`t worry. one day their entire faction and its precious, precious hydrogen will be ours!

er, ooops. did i say hive? because i meant univsity
Googlie:
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