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jcoleman is offline jcoleman
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May 2003
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Update: MP Lag, CtW Crashes, etc. Put an end to popups!

Just an update and some help:

* CtW Crash. This one might say something like "abnormal program termination". We finally got a repro and there is a pre-patch2 workaround that will probably work for most people:

Run the game in 32-bit color depth and also have your desktop in 32-bit color depth. The later requirement isn't necessary for all video cards but I think this combination will cover everything. We'll get this fixed for patch 2.

* MP Lag. Someone was gracious enough to send us his computer which reproed the problem. We received it today and wrote a fix which seems to work. Basically, when running Rise of Nations, the computer's internal clock would run slow, to the tune of losing about 100ms/s! This appears related to a power supply issue. An adjusted algorithm for time synchronization should compensate for this sort of issue. I think this, in various forms, is the major lag issue that people have had with MP. What makes it truly awful is that it affects anyone playing in a game with such a system. The fix will be in patch 2.

* Problems hosting behind NATs. We have a repro of this and hope to have the fix in shortly.

The current agenda for patch 2 is:

* MP Lag fix.
* CtW crash fix.
* Fix to not being able to host behind NATs.
* Fix to ranking system.
* Fixes that allow us to robustly test patches before release.
* A separate "Check for Updates" button.
* Some small, misc fixes and tweaks to be announced.

The testing for patch 2 will probably take us through this Thursday (5-29-03). With luck, we'll have it up soon after.

Thanks for the support,
J

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...reinforcing the fact that you should always, ALWAYS buy a decent power supply

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you keep those patches coming and we'll keep on playing!

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After just wasting 4 hours on an epic campaign battle, then getting booted to windows just when I achieved victory (at this point I realised the game didn't autosave), I really wanted this fix, so ...

checked my desktop setting - 32 bit

checked my game setting - 32 bit

Sigh, I love this game but I feel so sick I just can't play it right now.

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Doh! 4 hours without saving???

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It's nice to get these kinds of detailed progress updates. It's greatly appreciated.

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"4 hours without saving"

Yeh, I know it's stupid, but I only need the saves for crashes, as I never use save games to recover a losing position. In fact, by and large, I find most games don't crash too much, so I don't really need to save too much. And there's often an autosave ...

After looking more closely, I see that the game does have some autosaves, but, strangely, they were all set before my own save which I did shortly after starting.

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I am a fanatical saver. I have had just too many bad experiences with my computers crashing, that sometimes I save every 10 minutes. I only use saves to recover from crashes as well, and although compulsive saving might seem annoying, I am a bit glad for it in the end.

This is really great, I am really happy I spent my money on this game. I have never seen a game before where the programmers post updates on fan forums letting us know what is going on. I myself have not been able to play CTW yet, even after updating my drivers and checking that 32-bit thing. However seeing this and knowing that a patch is in development to fix it and will be released soon greatly relieves the frustration. Thanks very much.

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...reinforcing the fact that you should always, ALWAYS buy a decent power supply


I just noticed that my clock is extremely behind too! This after playing much RoN. My power supply is top-notch though (Antec 1080amg case with 430watt PS).

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We haven't researched it extensively, yet; we went ahead and wrote a work-around. However, another possibility is that sound or network drivers are spending too much time in their interrupts. It would be interesting to know if you have more recent sound or net drivers available and if that fixes your clock slowdown.

Thanks,
J

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Hmmmmmm.... Hi evry body! I'm new to this and yes I did buy RoN. It's a wonderful game but it does crash for me on CtW and says abnormal program dot dot dot and I got SOOOOOOO mad at it. I sent microsoft my problem but.... alas! they couldn't help much. I'm so glad you guys are know realizing this and making a patch for it. Once this is resolved, Penguin Avenger and his Four sons shall Conquer The World! Ha ha ha ha ha ha cough cough cough(sneeze)


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Well when I saw this post I had hopes that maybe I could solve the problem I was having by swapping out hardware or updating drivers. Well I tried the driver thing first, both my LAN and sound drivers but it still lagged in multiplayer. Then I also read that it might be a power supply problem so I swapped out 2 other power supplies and it still lagged. This is worrying me because of what jcoleman has said. I know it’s not my power supply. I have even gone as far as swapping every part of my computer out except RAM and Motherboard (Asus a7n8x). I hope the patch will still help me because I really like this game.

Thanks for the support BHG

Noldat

P.S. If I can help by giving my specs on my computer let me know.

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I got rid of the lag!!!! It seems it was the motherboard bios that was causing the problem. I updated to the latest one and it was fixed. I wonder if the patch would have done me any good.

Anyway i have an ASUS a7n8x if anybody else has this update to bios 1004. If you are having this problem on any ASUS board i would this.


Just thought i would pass this along

Noldat

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were you find the update for your bios?

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Doh! 4 hours without saving???


I only save myself if I have to leave the game for some reason.

I never use saved games to recover a bad position in any game. Playing "Iron Man" makes me take more care of what I am doing.

I have often played games for 20 hours or more straight and then lost because of a mistake in my strategy. OK - start over .... when I *do* get a win though then I know I deserved it

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were you find the update for your bios?


Find out what you Motherboard is. Then go to a search engine (www.google.com will do) and type it in. The manufacturers website should be among the results

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I am getting random CTDs (and sometimes restarts!) during quick battles, not just CTW. Will this patch address those issues? And when can we expect it?

Ike

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I run a NTP client. Could that possible cause an issue with the game?

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I run a NTP Client also and it was not what was affecting it. I just had to update my bios.


Noldat

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Oct 2001
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There is some graphical error in RON that need to be corrected too.Supply Wagon dont change into trucks in the industrial age and same too for Caravan.That is a bug need to be corrected.

When I am playing Turkey against the AI's chinese,sometimes their building's graphics is same to mine meaning that their building should have a Chinese style not a Turkish style.I dont know why this happen,this has repeated more than twice,I am using Turkey against AI's British,their building changed to Turkish style instead of European style,Is that a bug?

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quote:
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I am getting random CTDs (and sometimes restarts!) during quick battles, not just CTW.


Ike, I was getting MANY CTD's and restarts while playing Battlefield 1942, and it was driving me crazy. I updated drivers, reinstalled the game, to no effect. I was going to do a clean reinstall of my OS when I decided to try something simple - I bought a can of compressed 'air' (dust remover), took the side off my case and blew out all the dust, and played with the side open. I played BF 1942 for 4 hours without a problem. When I put the side of the case back on and played, I got a CTD after an hour or so. So... I think it was a heat issue. Looks like I'll have to invest in some more cooling fans or a better heat sink compound for my processor. In the meantime, though, I can play my games for hours and hours again without incident as long as I play with one side of the case open.

I used to get CTDs with RoN as well, but I haven't tried playing it again since blowing the dust out of my machine. However, canned air is cheap, so you may want to do as I did and see if that helps anything.

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I had a big heat problem with my new PC with a radeon 9800. I had consistent crashes at 5min into the game. After seeing the posts here and at other sites I took off the side and the game played to 10 min (then crashed). I added a BIG fan blowing directly onto the Vcard. Viola, it plays fine.

So, I think the heatsink/fans on the new big Vcards are ****. I'm not even sure if a slot fan will cool this thing enough when playing RoN (plus I dont want to give up a PCI slot).

Cool your card and play the game.

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