26-05-2003 05:07									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer I didn't say we should stop its funding... i said we should not give public schools MORE funding...

You said NO MORE funding, but thanks for clearing it up. I think some people thought that you would actually think that was a good idea

	26-05-2003 05:15									#32
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quote: I'm not sure they're poorly funded per se, but the funding doesn't go to the right places.

Isn't that another way of saying poorly funded?

	26-05-2003 05:24									#33
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i apologize for the lack of clarity. i did not say the there should be no funding for public education. there should be some...

the thing is that many people assume that the failings of the public school system (and honestly, i don't think the failings are even that severe because i feel that the school district has produced many basically intelligent people) can be fixed if more money is thrown at the system... i do not think lack of funding is what is wrong with public education. more funding will probably not do too much to improve education unless you do something like pay people to get good grades...

Rather, i think the problem lies in the students who generally do not feel education is particularily important. They still pick up huge amounts of information but are rarely serious about school. need to fix that...

and i think one way to do that would be to improve college oppurtunities. what reason does a typical student have of sitting through class til he gets his diploma when in his mind, it's just a useless piece of paper? it does not open up too many doors and by itself, with no money, does not open the door to college and all the oppurtunities that a college education offers. Whether he got a diploma or not will have no bearing on his simple service job...

if, however, this student was guarenteed a college education upon completion of high school, he just might be willing to learn in high school and then college so that he may have more and better job oppurtunities.

So any more funding should not go to schools... they should go to colleges...

	26-05-2003 05:34									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer and i think one way to do that would be to improve college oppurtunities. what reason does a typical student have of sitting through class til he gets his diploma when in his mind, it's just a useless piece of paper? it does not open up too many doors and by itself, with no money, does not open the door to college and all the oppurtunities that a college education offers. Whether he got a diploma or not will have no bearing on his simple service job... if, however, this student was guarenteed a college education upon completion of high school, he just might be willing to learn in high school and then college so that he may have more and better job oppurtunities. So any more funding should not go to schools... they should go to colleges...

The thing is that everyone gets college loans. Now if you want college to be free that's another thing. I might go for free college after a student completes at least one year of college level courses, otherwise I think it's a waste because of all the drop outs.

Unfortunately, kids without parents who have graduated from college don't see how important it is. I can't see how we can change that, but we can make them do their work or go somewhere else. It seems mean, but few students would choose the consequences. They all want to be in school. Just some of them don't want to do the work.

	26-05-2003 05:50									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: I'm not sure they're poorly funded per se, but the funding doesn't go to the right places. Isn't that another way of saying poorly funded?

Yes, but it explains why he has certain figures, and why it isn't mutually exclusive with what I said.

	26-05-2003 05:52									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer i don't think the failings are even that severe because i feel that the school district has produced many basically intelligent people

The school system doesn't produce intelligent people... people either are intelligent or they aren't. It is an inherent trait. The school system produces educated people, which is a very different thing.

	26-05-2003 09:08									#37
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quote: I know plenty of kids that were home schooled and are not social nitwits. Dorks will be dorks and geeks will be geeks regardless of whether they're home schooled or not.

The problem is homeschooled kids do not have experience working in groups. This is needed for a lot of jobs. The other problem is the parent might know nothing about teaching. When you study to become a teacher, you learn helpful stuff. An ordinary person might not know how to get information to stick to a kid.

I disagree with cutting the funding. Idaho's education funding is like 48th in the nation. We have to do a crapload of fundraising just to keep programs afloat, and teachers get paid dirt. They have a hard job and they don't make much. If the pay was increased for teachers, more would want to be teachers and that would increase the competition in getting a teaching job and therefore we'd get better teachers.

	26-05-2003 09:12									#38
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod The problem is homeschooled kids do not have experience working in groups. This is needed for a lot of jobs. The other problem is the parent might know nothing about teaching. When you study to become a teacher, you learn helpful stuff. An ordinary person might not know how to get information to stick to a kid.

Homeschooling is actually very successfull. Professional teachers are better, but you can't beat one on one. Plus most home schooled students work in groups with other homeschooled students on group projects. There are associations.

	26-05-2003 09:51									#39
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We really should ditch the idea that everyone NEEDS to go to a university. The truth is many people would waste far less time and far less public money if they would go to vocational schools.

	26-05-2003 13:03									#40
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd True, in a one parent family this would be a tad difficult, although still possibly doable. In a two person family, there's no reason one parent can't stay home, in the absence of things such as income taxes, property taxes, etc., if that parent really wants to.

You do realise that western economies have become so dependant on working parents that the impact of having all families keep one parent off work would be a massive recession?

It's another Floyd theory- perfect internal logic but hardly a pragmatic solution.