25-05-2003 19:54									#1
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How does it work? There are two types of taxes, federal and state taxes, right? If you're not citizen and you pay federal taxes, are you supposed to pay state taxes too?

	25-05-2003 19:56									#2
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You don't really think they would let you off that easy, do you?

	25-05-2003 19:58									#3
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I don't know the laws and taxing too much? So, you have to pay both state and federal taxes even if you're not citizen, just working there? Ok...

	25-05-2003 20:08									#4
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I can't imagine a Country taxing foreigners less than nationals...

	25-05-2003 20:11									#5
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Federal, state, and local income taxes. Property (real estate) taxes and sales & use taxes. Miscellaneous taxes on cable TV, phone, and cell phone. Local restaurant taxes in some cities. Sin taxes on cigarettes and booze. Federal and state highway use gasoline taxes.

Depending on where you are, it is some mix of those and others which I'm forgetting. If you don't own any real estate, you only have to worry about your federal and state income tax returns. Local income taxes are normally collected by the state and are rolled into your state income tax return.

So, you have to pay both state and federal taxes even if you're not citizen, just working there? Ok...

The scale is different for non-resident aliens (i.e., if you don't have your green card). You might even pay more under certain circumstances. This is true even though you don't get the benefit of certain services, like some social security benefits, IIRC.

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	25-05-2003 20:15									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka How does it work? There are two types of taxes, federal and state taxes, right? If you're not citizen and you pay federal taxes, are you supposed to pay state taxes too?

Different items get taxed by different methods by different levels of government.

For example, property taxes are assessed at the city or county level, but not at the state or federal level. Sales can be city, county, or state, but not at the federal level... unless you're talking about certain products like gasoline. Some states only assess sales taxes on certain items (non-food purchases), others assess sales taxes as a percentage of gross revenue, regardless of product.

Income taxes are usually assessed at the state and federal levels, though some cities and counties might have a small income tax though. Tennessee doesn't have a personal income tax though it does have a personal tax on investments and a corporate income tax (dumb, imo).

Payroll taxes are state and federal. Car taxes are state and local.

It really just bleedin' depends upon where you live.

	25-05-2003 20:21									#7
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quote: Originally posted by DanS Sin taxes on cigarettes and booze.

Please tell me Sin Taxes is not the official name

	25-05-2003 20:48									#8
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Ok, I think I got it. Thanks for the time you took to explain it to me.

	25-05-2003 20:51									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Please tell me Sin Taxes is not the official name

If those are sins then maybe taxing them is a sin too

	25-05-2003 21:04									#10
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The thing about state taxes is that they vary from different state. Some states go by income taxes, others go by sales tax.

For example, here in Texas there is no state income tax. This attracts many professional atheletes here because their income doesn't get taken as much (that and Houston is very minority friendly).

	25-05-2003 21:21									#11
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Spiffor: Yep. They're called "sin taxes" by everyone. Don't know if they're actually referred by that in the actual laws, though.

	25-05-2003 21:28									#12
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Thanks. I somehow love the name, for its ironical value

	25-05-2003 21:31									#13
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The actual name for them is excise taxes.

	25-05-2003 21:31									#14
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Sin taxes sounds cool. We call them.. I can't translate it but pretty much the same, damage taxes or something like that. Then again if I listed all the taxes we had here, Apolyton server would shut down and die.

	25-05-2003 21:34									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Then again if I listed all the taxes we had here, Apolyton server would shut down and die.

Massachusetts (Taxachusetts) would seem like home then.

	25-05-2003 21:35									#16
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The actual name for them is excise taxes.

Yes. Thank you.

	25-05-2003 21:37									#17
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No, I'll be shocked if I have some money after taxes, because then I can actually buy something, if I can afford to buy those super taxed products. I'm just better off with the current system, where you end up owing money when you make money.

	25-05-2003 21:44									#18
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I don't pay taxes (apart from some sales taxes)

	25-05-2003 22:29									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh I don't pay taxes (apart from some sales taxes)

This means you are either very poor, very rich, or a criminal . . . because the bulk of people in the middle get swatted pretty hard

	25-05-2003 22:52									#20
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No income tax in Florida! Not that I mind being taxed, I just hate the additional paperwork. Actually, I'd prefer income tax to the sales taxes in this state. We stick it to the tourist here, the Mouse and the beach pay for just about everything.

	25-05-2003 22:55									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh I don't pay taxes (apart from some sales taxes)

I wonder how you manage not to pay taxes if you are living in France. Except if you are working au noir
Edit : scratch that, you'd still pay the sales tax.

	25-05-2003 22:56									#22
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara No income tax in Florida! Not that I mind being taxed, I just hate the additional paperwork. Actually, I'd prefer income tax to the sales taxes in this state. We stick it to the tourist here, the Mouse and the beach pay for just about everything.

Why would a communist want to tax work? I like a sales tax as long as you don't tax things like food and rent.

	25-05-2003 22:59									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Kidicious Why would a communist want to tax work? I like a sales tax as long as you don't tax things like food and rent.

Work isn't taxed, income is taxed. The more you make, the more you pay. You can do lots of work, but get paid squat, and therefore get taxed squat. Or you could be a [professional athelete, work part of the year, and get taxed up the butt.

Don't confuse the two.

	25-05-2003 23:02									#24
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Work isn't taxed, income is taxed. The more you make, the more you pay. You can do lots of work, but get paid squat, and therefore get taxed squat. Or you could be a [professional athelete, work part of the year, and get taxed up the butt. Don't confuse the two.

I'm not. I should have said that I support tax on high incomes. Sorry.

	26-05-2003 00:59									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber This means you are either very poor, very rich, or a criminal . . . because the bulk of people in the middle get swatted pretty hard

I have diplomatic status


My wife has to pay taxes in principle, which normally would be quite substantial, since she is in a very well paid job (a pensions consultant). The nice thing is that, not only do I not pay taxes, my income is non-declarable, so as far as the tax authorities are concerned I don't earn any money. So her income is divided between us for tax purposes.

Last year we hired a fancy tax accountant in Paris to do our taxes for us and it is amazing how many loopholes they can find. We ended up paying only $2000 in tax for the whole year (although the accountant's fees were more than that!).

	26-05-2003 01:00									#26
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Work isn't taxed, income is taxed.

And remember, the really big incomes don't come from work but from coporate dividends, capital gains, and inheritance. Those three items IMHO should be taxed at a much higher rate than income from salaries. Unfortunately, the GOP has been remarkable successful at convincing people that non-work income should be tax free.

	26-05-2003 01:02									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh I have diplomatic status

I thought that you were a scientist, not a diplomat.

	26-05-2003 01:03									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh Last year we hired a fancy tax accountant in Paris to do our taxes for us and it is amazing how many loopholes they can find. We ended up paying only $2000 in tax for the whole year (although the accountant's fees were more than that!).

Please PM me all the loopholes they found, I am interested

(in sending them to my representative so that the parliament destroys them of course)

	26-05-2003 01:08									#29
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I am a scientist at a Treaty Organisation, so I get diplomatic status.

The loopholes were fairly simple things, like getting a tax allowance for working from home (sometimes), being a 'frontalier' (ie. living in one country while working in another) and that sort of thing.

	26-05-2003 01:10									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh I am a scientist at a Treaty Organisation, so I get diplomatic status.

Does that mean you don't have to pay your traffic tickets?