25-05-2003 21:33									#1
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one quick question,

does attacking with hidden nationality units anger just the civ youre attacking or all of them, like with nukes?

	25-05-2003 22:33									#2
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What's a hidden nationality unit?

	25-05-2003 22:43									#3
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the plague: Like the privateer or the old guerilla units in Civ2!

This is unit who can attack another country and the other country cannot know from wich civilization is coming the units!

You can set "hidden nationality" in the Editor and The Privateer is a hidden nationality unit!

And from my experience, when you attacks with a hidden nationality units you just anger the civ you attacks... but I dont know for using hidden nukes, you can make a test if you want... maybe everybody will hate you, but not going over a war with you!

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	25-05-2003 22:43									#4
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A unit like the privateer, whose nationality is unknown by other Civs.

	25-05-2003 22:44									#5
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Yes, I second PlagueRat's question: what is a Hidden Nationality, let alone a Hidden Nationality Unit?

	25-05-2003 22:44									#6
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no answer yet? i hate delaying attacks...

	25-05-2003 22:45									#7
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look earlier in the thread

	25-05-2003 22:54									#8
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ah, hiding, well, not really...

my apologies, i'm playing the game and keep switching quickly over to see if anyone posts, and am reading rather quickly..

	25-05-2003 22:59									#9
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hey... what about a right of passage and attack with land hidden nationality units, what do you think all of the civs would think then?

	25-05-2003 23:03									#10
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You should make a scenario to see the outcome of these possibilities.

	25-05-2003 23:05									#11
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actually, i'm playing a game right now and would like to find this out quickly

	26-05-2003 04:51									#12
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No, it won't anger them.

	26-05-2003 05:11									#13
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Yes, it will. Hidden nationality attacks do anger civs, but doesn't constitute a direct declaration of war (though if you REALLY piss them off, they'll declare war).

	26-05-2003 07:00									#14
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Partisans didn't have hidden nationality in Civ2

They could ignore ZoC and treated all squares as roads
They would appear out of captured cities and had like a 40 attack against Settlers, Explorers, and other 0 attack units

	26-05-2003 18:55									#15
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AI-anger is the thing that ruined Civ3. They'll get angry for almost anything. And a niceguy dipomacy/builder strategy becomes inconvenient.

	26-05-2003 19:51									#16
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Yes, but the AI gets nice as long as you have per turn trades with it (such as resources / luxuries)

	27-05-2003 00:29									#17
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ha, this is great, i'm using guerillas with hidden nationality on the aztecs. theyre furiuos but nobody else is. and when i take over the city, there is no resistance... wow...

	28-05-2003 00:15									#18
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Aah, hidden nationality. Gotta love it. Until multiplayer where your sea travel is ruined by someone, and it later turns out that it's your ally, backstabing you. ANYWAYS, I concur with PlagueRat. Stop getting so angry at me, AI!

	28-05-2003 22:11									#19
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I always build Privateers and always forget that they are hidden nationality and so get extremely annoyed with the AI when it sinks them.....

	29-05-2003 20:05									#20
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Privateers are relatively weak, and suddenly it becomes the weakest naval unit. (especially with the steam engine)
Thats a pity. We could have had much more fun with pirating if there was an upgrade...

Last edited by ThePlagueRat on 29-05-2003 at 20:42

	29-05-2003 20:37									#21
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Yeah, privateers were actually hyped before the release...

	30-05-2003 00:26									#22
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quote: Originally posted by ThePlagueRat Thats a pity. We could have had much more fun with pirating if there was an upgrade...

How about a Smuggler unit available with Combustion?

	30-05-2003 00:43									#23
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Oh, a Smuggler Yacht would be nice... They could carry explosives so when they ram. BOOOM (99,0,5)

	30-05-2003 01:52									#24
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Ya, it sucks that they are so weak. But they can be fun none the less.

	30-05-2003 06:18									#25
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they are only good for attacking galleys and even then they often lose. i like fortifying them if possible when you spot an enemy ship, and if that ship is scouting it will occasionally attack my privateer, hopefully losing.

	30-05-2003 18:03									#26
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quote: Originally posted by bobbo008 they are only good for attacking galleys and even then they often lose. i like fortifying them if possible when you spot an enemy ship, and if that ship is scouting it will occasionally attack my privateer, hopefully losing.

Another thing you can do, especially now with PTW, is blockade a civ's coastal city, preventing it from sending out it's own ships.

	31-05-2003 02:43									#27
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yeah, and with a ROP you can do that anyways, i love blocking in sea and land units too that way. they dont seem to be angered either

	31-05-2003 02:56									#28
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quote: Originally posted by bobbo008 yeah, and with a ROP you can do that anyways, i love blocking in sea and land units too that way. they dont seem to be angered either

The thing with PTW, if a civ orders you to remove your troops from their territory, any hidden nationality unit will still remain in place. That makes Privateers more valuable as far blockades are concerned.

	31-05-2003 03:27									#29
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quote: Originally posted by bobbo008 they are only good for attacking galleys and even then they often lose. i like fortifying them if possible when you spot an enemy ship, and if that ship is scouting it will occasionally attack my privateer, hopefully losing.

I like to use a massed privateer attack to weaken the AI's attempt to beat me to that newly discovered Island that it somehow found out about.

	31-05-2003 03:31									#30
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i wish privateers could blockade port cities, even if you werent at war