26-05-2003 03:46									#1
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What is the best Civilization in RON? I'm still playing the demo, so idk what my favorite is yet, but I wanna know what everyone here thinks.

	26-05-2003 03:51									#2
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I really enjoy the Chinese, so far. The French are very nice as well, as are the Bantu.

	26-05-2003 04:00									#3
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Why do you like the Chinese and French?

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The Chinese get to create villagers instantly, which I think is a huge advantage, as well as some other econ bonuses. All of their cities start out as Large Cities.

The French have the supply wagon that repairs units in the field as well as eliminating attrition, which is very nice. They also get a free general with each fort and fortification improvements.

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france also gets a free supply wagon with each siege factory.

i've been playing Random a lot recently, and somehow i got Bantu 3 times in a row. they're a pretty awesome civ. raised pop limits, faster moving barracks troops, an extra city, bueno.

maya are good for defensive purposes.

i used to like china a lot, but their ability is only good if you have a strong enough economy for it. still pretty interesting.

i'll say bantu / france / egypt right now.

	26-05-2003 04:20									#6
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Everytime I've tried China I've always had a huge point lead in the early game, due to the instant citizens. However I want to point out another good one - the Inca. Every miner generates 10 wealth in addition to the usual metal, and their wealth commerce cap is 33% higher than normal. Wealth is the most versatile resource, since you can easily exchange it for whatever you need at the market. The Inca don't have any particular offensive or defensive advantages, certainly nothing to rush with, but they can be adapted to almost any strategy and do well.

	26-05-2003 05:28									#7
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I'd say most of the nations are good, and there isn't one best one

Mostly I have played with France and Britain.

France's healing supply wagons allow your troops to survive prolonged incursions into enemy territory longer.

Also, the timber bonus helps you to get buildings up quicker.

Britain's double taxation and increased commerce cap give it one of the best economies, and certainly the most raw economic power.

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I played CTW with the Romans...I like them...the legions are murderous in the early ages

	26-05-2003 09:15									#9
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I like the Japanese because of their Ability to plunder and not yield any plundered wealth. Also, they have great SpecialUnits right until the end of the medieval age. The British are also equally my favorite and maybe even more so because of their SpecialUnits and because of their abilities. I really wish they had included India or that they include India in an expansion. They have a wonder but not the Civ (Taj mahal) and I am of Indian origin so maybe i'm a little biased. I feel they should have the power of instant build scholars and cheap scholars (today they have the largest number of college level educated professionals) and Spec.Units are obvious. A Elephant type unit, a Ghurka for modern times Commando (include Nepal with India), etc.

	26-05-2003 09:27									#10
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I have been enjoying playing the Koreans and the Greeks.

Regarding the Koreans, I love the free citizens with each city. Also, starting the game with a temple is quite nice.

As for the Greeks, they are probably not the best civ to play in multiplayer, but in sp, I always seem to be way ahead in tech than the computer. The main benefit is that Library research is faster. The fact that you start out with a University and can build them right away is not that much of a factor for me, as I usually only build a scholar or two before you would be able to build them anyway.

	26-05-2003 16:16									#11
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I'm a newbie, but I have been playing the Germans and find them a very strong civilization; they have economic advantages and their military rocks, especially in the later part of the game.

Nothing like taking on a generic tank with a Tiger or Leopard. Kaboom!

I do think that the civs are pretty well balanced and that basicaly the better you are, the better your chances.

Mike

	26-05-2003 18:13									#12
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Depends on what style you play!

I like to advance quickly to get better units compared to the opposition I'm faced with! My choice for to achieve that goal is the Chinese Nation!!!

-20% cheaper library = more resources spendable on other things = faster in age advancement

-instant buildtime civ's/merch's/caravan's(no not car's ) = advantage in the beginning, because resource gathering is started faster!

-First gunpowder unit, age before gunpowder age, cheap/fast to produce - up till modern age, who wouldn't want that?
Considering u advance faster in ages U r sometimes 2 ages ahead with gunpowder units!!!

-large cities = better defence (I geuss )

All in All wel rounded nation, like the russians, best suited do do the job for ME, perhaps not for others!

PS: the fact that the chinese in AoK(AoE2) had practically the same advantages (tech cheaper each age, chokuno's(ultra fast fire archer unit) and that they were my fav race has nothing to do whatsoever with my choice

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I'm starting to like the Koreans. They get a free temple and civillian at the start. Their second city gets 3 free civillians and any city afterwards get 5 free civilians.

You have to keep track of your pop limit as you don't get the freebies if your maxed out. But the instant work force is great for putting up border cities as they can quickly get up military buildings.

The free temple upgrades are nice and armed civillan upgrades are nice. I tend to forget about those side upgrade techs that are not in barracks/stable/factory.

The Koreans are great for the early attacker type game with the best age 2 & 3 seige units, but become rather ordinary after gunpowder.

	26-05-2003 19:28									#14
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Wow, I guess I'm the only one who likes playing Russian so far. The attrition feature is one thing that really interested me in RoN, so I've been favoring the civ with attrition bonuses. They also have a good improved line of light cav - fast and cheap.

	26-05-2003 20:12									#15
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you're not
they are my favourites ,too
but the germans are good too
the heavy infantry line is soooo powerful, theres no chance for enemy cavalry!!!

	26-05-2003 20:36									#16
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Hey I like the Russians too, especially their spies who stay invisible, even if they perform an action! Great to harass the enemy
But still I prefer the Chinese

mmm, i'm beginning to see a patern here !
It seems I preffer communist countries, thank god the americans arn't included otherwise I would consider myself as an Imperialistic Pig
But then again, you should consider yourself likewise, it's an RTS after all

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But how can ANYBODY deny historical materialism whilst playing a game like this?

	27-05-2003 00:38									#18
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I like playing as the Russians myself. The attrition is very nasty. Once you have both the Kremlin and the Colloseum, your enemies will suffer major attrition losses. In a multiplayer game, I had those 2 wonders and took out my opponent's supply wagons when he attacked me. His units each lost about 10 hit points a second, and died within a minute. What better defense is there than that? I also really love the Shock Infantry and T-80 tanks, they are quite tough.

I also play as the British a lot. I like the Highlanders and Lancaster Bombers, plus all the navy bonuses. It is easy to build a large fleet, and the Bombers make assaults quite easy.

Next game though I plan to try out the French.

	27-05-2003 02:15									#19
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Great thread! What impresses me is that there are so many answers, this suggests that the civs are well balanced pretty much.

From my own bumbling play so far it has seemed like the Bantu have the edge on everybody because unless you can take out that extra city of theirs early on, by the Gunpowder Age they wind up with a 15% to 20% resource lead and you are doomed! Because the Bantu can spread and grow rapidly across the map they remind me of the Zerg from StarCraft ... or is that a bit of an extreme comparison?

	27-05-2003 11:01									#20
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The game has been out for six days. This hardly proves anything about balance =P

	27-05-2003 11:08									#21
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you are absolutley right, overal the nations are pretty well balanced, wich backs up my earlier statement!
It Depends solely on you and how you want to play!!!
And I dunno about the Zerg comparrison I never considered the Bantu as a murderous extraterestrial strong in numbers in your face and up your's threat

	27-05-2003 18:12									#22
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mmmm, beginning to like the Turks Too, their siege advantages R enormous and, you have to admit, that is what this game is about (4 me) + the 200% lowerd cap time + 33% off military research
....mmmmmmmmm MAMA

	27-05-2003 18:58									#23
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I quite like the Turks too, since my attacks are all about seige weapons.

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quote: Originally posted by wilebill Great thread! What impresses me is that there are so many answers, this suggests that the civs are well balanced pretty much. From my own bumbling play so far it has seemed like the Bantu have the edge on everybody because unless you can take out that extra city of theirs early on, by the Gunpowder Age they wind up with a 15% to 20% resource lead and you are doomed!

Its all very well having an extra city, but Britain out resources everyone quite easily. You may have three cities producing a total of +100 food, while the British have only 2 but are producing +120. The main advantage of the Bantu free city is controlling larger tracts of territory.

Britains advantages are hard to spot if you are playing against them, but once you use the British you understand how powerful they really are. Its not ostentatios like Russian attrition visibly eating troops or Bantu city spam. Stiff upper lip and all, just get on with the job old boy.

	27-05-2003 20:49									#25
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quote: Britains advantages are hard to spot if you are playing against them, but once you use the British you understand how powerful they really are. Its not ostentatios like Russian attrition visibly eating troops or Bantu city spam. Stiff upper lip and all, just get on with the job old boy.

Ok, I will give them a shot tonight. I do like archers.

	27-05-2003 22:30									#26
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If any civ is unbalanced i think it's koreans, i thought so in demo and i don't think anything has changed. They get 3 tech lines for free, plus huge ammounts of instant free villagers, faster repair and cheaper towers. Their economy has to be HUGE bonus early game. 8 free instant citizens by 2nd age!

	27-05-2003 23:52									#27
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If you say the Koreans are unballanced, play as them on thoughest or so, you should win all the time, if they have such an advantage ...

Every Nation (IMO) has an economic advantage, even offensive ones! It can be cheaper units, cheaper resource gathering, free gran's/smelters/sawmil, free techs, pop cap difference, ...., whatever, every1 has 1!!!
EVERY nation has its strong points! learn to use them to their propper intent !

	29-05-2003 00:03									#28
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i only have the demo i but i like the egyptians as they get wonders cheaper, an age faster and can have 2 per city! i have only been playing on easy (i've played 4games!)

	29-05-2003 05:49									#29
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My favs are koreans ans Turks... . Have not tryed britain so far.

	29-05-2003 11:37									#30
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I love the Chinese, they just suit my style a lot.

I'd have to say I think the Egyptians seem somewhat overpowered to me. They just race to SoL and then it gets nasty (especially if you're Russian). I think they should really tone down the SoL... it's way unbalanced now.