27-06-2003 19:28									#61
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i am playing on words this morning........its the new diesel language.....

don't tell me you never thought a third city might be able to use the resources???

	27-06-2003 19:32									#62
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Not unless it was a special map with War's perception as a secret third dimension.

	27-06-2003 19:33									#63
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really Dr. SPike... i can't be the only one whom is this greedy?????

	27-06-2003 19:35									#64
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No, just the only one that silly.

	27-06-2003 19:47									#65
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quote: Originally posted by War4ever really Dr. SPike... i can't be the only one whom is this greedy?????

Probably not, but the reason you get the chance for 2 sharing clearly does not extend to 3, unless the world you live in differs substantially from the one the rest of us do.

	27-06-2003 19:55									#66
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Shhhhh, that requires rational thinking.

	28-06-2003 01:58									#67
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but it makes no sense no matter how nicely you try to put it !

	28-06-2003 02:26									#68
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Yes, I'm glad you can see that NOW>

	28-06-2003 02:36									#69
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no, it makes no sense that a third and fourth city couldn't share the resources.... in fact i think its not very PC...... this type of hoarding by 2 cities on the axis is borderlining on illegal

	28-06-2003 17:55									#70
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quote: Allowed: selling improvements/disbanding units before losing the city/unit

Why? It turnsthe game to a real-time game...
I suggest: selling improvements/disbanding units/rehoming units is possible within your own turn only.

quote: Allowed: black clicking

Why? It is unnatural, boring and it takes away the enjoyment of exploration.

	28-06-2003 18:44									#71
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Well, black clicking is impossible to police, though I have suggested before that for this tight group it could be banned.

In principle I concur about the disbanding, but in practice there is a risk to disbanding. Makeo once disbanded a vet tri because he thought I would bribe it like I did the first one he used - I had no second dip.

	28-06-2003 21:03									#72
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quote: black clicking is impossible to police

So I can watch revealed map on another comp? That's great.

	29-06-2003 04:01									#73
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Is your second computer named "SKILL" too.

You must remember that on the small rocks that we play on, that 9 out of 10 times you're all on continent 1, which greatly diminishes the information attainable from black clicking.

	29-06-2003 10:27									#74
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Can I assume by the fact that Cold Wizard's post at the start doesn't say anything about Unit Bribing that it is therefore allowed under Rah rules?

Sorry for the on topic post

	29-06-2003 14:08									#75
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Yes Allowed, read the first post in the thread and all the rules are listed.

	29-06-2003 15:04									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Sparrowhawk Sorry for the on topic post

Obviously new to this forum.

	29-06-2003 16:47									#77
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quote: Originally posted by rah Is your second computer named "SKILL" too.

I don't understand.
I wanted to say that cheating is always easy and DrSpike's explanation that
rules that are impossible to police are omitted 'walks with a limp'.

	29-06-2003 17:07									#78
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quote: Originally posted by SlowThinker I don't understand. I wanted to say that cheating is always easy and DrSpike's explanation that rules that are impossible to police are omitted 'walks with a limp'.

Well maybe it seems that way to you.

I did suggest that a group such as Rah's that trust one another could choose to adopt no black clicking as a rule, but as Rah said they find it balanced with their settings, or they would address the problem.

But not all games are with trusted players; besides it's not just impossible to police what people do on purpose, it's also impossible to stop people benefiting from truly accidental clicks.

Rules like these grow up from a large body of practical experience to suit the settings.........I can see how someone with only theoretical knowledge might have trouble understanding that.

	29-06-2003 18:20									#79
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quote: Originally posted by DrSpike But not all games are with trusted players; besides it's not just impossible to police what people do on purpose,

Not impossible? Anybody can take a second comp, and open the game in SP/cheat mode and reveal the map. How do you want to unmask this?
(The 'password' may be easily washed out in SP mode.)

quote: it's also impossible to stop people benefiting from truly accidental clicks.

OK, I can see this may be a problem.
I am not sure if i know everything about black-clicking, but I suppose thre are two types:

1. Right click - reveals continent number
But IMHO it is easy not to notice it, continent nuber is a small numeral in the area you can ignore if the cursor is on black tile.

2. Double click - reveals cities
You usually don't double click in black.

So accidental black-click are very rare. Anyway I think it is better to have rare accidental clicks than people spendind time by clicking on black in place of thinking about a best strategy.

	29-06-2003 22:10									#80
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Yes... anybody can load the map on a second machine... but they are pond scum little cheaters who obviously have no skill.

That's why trusting your fellow players is important.

	30-06-2003 00:44									#81
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Where is eyes these days btw?

	30-06-2003 00:55									#82
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Strategic King looks to be very similar. Are they twins?

	30-06-2003 01:39									#83
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Nahhhhhh... similar in their distaste for Deity, but totally different presentation styles

	30-06-2003 01:41									#84
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Bitter enemies.............yet so similar in many ways.

	30-06-2003 03:19									#85
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I don't think they both use 2 computers, do they ?

	30-06-2003 04:42									#86
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Back to topic:

quote: Originally posted by Ming Yes... anybody can load the map on a second machine... but they are pond scum little cheaters who obviously have no skill. That's why trusting your fellow players is important.

I agree perfectly. And therefore rules that allow black-clicking have no sense...

	30-06-2003 04:57									#87
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There is a BIG difference between black clicking and loading the full map. Clicking can't find enemy units, or tell you exactly what kind of land is there, or how many defenders somebody has in a city... and a host of others...

HUGE DIFFERENCE

	30-06-2003 06:11									#88
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I agree there is difference.

But tell me what is such a rule (to allow black-clicking) good for?

	30-06-2003 10:04									#90
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its too hard to police...thats what its good for...and on small maps and done NOT on your turn..whats the big deal..

its onlya few hundred years till i find your vincinity anyways