26-05-2003 23:40									#1
	Another one bites the dust :( Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

I've waited for this game for years. I am one of the Delphi veterans and I guess I have been one of the most optimistic people about this game... until I started playing.

I won't be listing those gazillions of flaws in this game - too many people have done it on numerous occasions. What I want to do is to say why I personally feel so much betrayed. I’m sure there are lots of people who share these feelings.

OK, I don't blame the designers, they did what they could. Obviously they could do very little, now that we have it clear. I don't know why, maybe they are just a bunch of underqualified a####les or some of them thought too much about their own merchandise kinda like "[screwed by Shmantz]" instead of the game etc. This is not the point.

My point is that it's not the designers who betrayed fans by making a pathetic piece of computer code. It's a pretty defined group of people who lied to fans and even now keep trying to brainwash the weakest ones: beta-testers and Infogrames forum moderators. Many of these are 2 in 1.

THE BETA-TESTERS

Looking at the beta tester reports I now think they might have played a different game... or they just pathetically lied to the forum about MOO3. The game came out with so many obvious flaws that are normally first thing what beta-testers should spot. Save-game flaw - is the most outrageous one. I guess instead of keep being honest men they kept licking QS bottoms for reasons that are beyond me. I'm sure the non-disclosure agreement they signed provided them the way to quit, but too many of them choose to post those reports about how wonderful and flawless the MOO3 was and to cheat on the community. This came to material loss for many, people threw away 50 bucks and many are now trying to get back at least a tenner through e-bay and places like that. Beta-testers, you suck.

INFOGRAMES FORUM MODERATORS

Oh, need I say more... Deleting negative posts, sticking some crap like "you should switch your brain into a beta stage, relax and keep saying at least a 1000 times a day 'I love MOO3, it is the most wonderful game' to start liking this game", attacking posters who demonstrated doubts about the merits of the game etc. This forum [Infogrames] reminds me of Stalinist Russia.


THE VERDICT

I lost all my interest to this game after playing for almost 2 months. It's pathetic, dull, buggy and does not deserve to be called Master of Orion. However I do sincerely think that it's not all lost even for this reincarnation. There was a game a while ago called Flanker 2, a flight simulator. The 2.0 version was crap. They tried to patch it, but to no result. Then they said OK, we will redesign the major elements into version 2.5, whoever has the 2.0 version will be able to get a CD upgrade to 2.5. for free and new buyers will get straight to 2.5. That was a fair deal!!! 2.5 version was brilliant. I think this is the way QS should go if they feel they are up to it. However if you they know they are crap at programming I think it would be fair to not to do it, which would most likely mean that after the MOO3 disaster this is the last of this series.

PS: This is the post I made on the Infogrames forums around a month ago. Since I lost the interest to the game I've only found out today that as if just to prove some of my points my original post was so heavily censored and edited, so I barely could recognise it. I hope those corrupt individuals didn't get any control of this particular forum and this message will be seen and discussed.

I prefer calling things their names, if I think the game is pathetic I will say so and will say why, if on my opinion moderators on Infogrames suck, I will say so as well and also say why, if my post gets deleted or censored... well I will find a more democratic forum.

	27-05-2003 01:20									#2
	Put an end to popups!

good to see you at poly

check out master zens too (the links in my signature)

we'll be running a moo3 succession game when the patch is out if you're interested

i think we will uncover a lot about the workings of the game and actually learn to appreciate it while running that succession game

cheers

	28-05-2003 15:10									#3
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Its hard to run games to completion if you're getting new beta code every few days so mid to end-game bugs can easily be missed. Its also perfectly possible for betas to find and report certain bugs then rave about the game based on the assumption that these irritating little bugs will have melted away by the time it goes gold. They're often the most upset when it turns out the developers didn't have the time, money or desire to make the appropriate changes.

	28-05-2003 18:44									#4
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

I followed Moo3 from the beginning, and I must say after owning the game its a let down in a big way. Nothing we were promised was truely granted, and what we were given was a hair from the wilderbeast it should have been. I played Moo and Moo2, but I honestly don't know if I'm willing to invest in any more of this series.

If they get MOM and mess it up this bad, I won't be buying anything from them Ever.

	29-05-2003 18:12									#5
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Sucks, doesn't it?

Luckily, we can all still go back to play Orion I... wait, it doesn't work with Windows ME.

Ehh, never mind.

	29-05-2003 19:06									#6
	Another rant about how the old times were Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

What I miss is that feeling when you got this cool new tech like AchillesTU and combined it with some other cool specials and weapons, put it into that cute looking hull and sent it to crush that enemy fleet.

I miss the visual part of this process.... Now, I cannot identify with my fleets. The ships are so tiny that ship design (visual) is obsolete and

	29-05-2003 19:11									#7
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

What, is your zoom key broken too?

	30-05-2003 01:19									#8
	World-wide simultaneous release Suffering from ads?

I still think the simultaneous release was intentional so the "believers" would buy the game before word of mouth got out on its true state?

Did anyone see a beta tester comment on the PD bug?

I think Stason is right on.

But,

"The patch will save us."

	30-05-2003 02:00									#9
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu Sucks, doesn't it? Luckily, we can all still go back to play Orion I... wait, it doesn't work with Windows ME. Ehh, never mind.

If you are having troubles getting MOO1 to work, try this.

http://dosbox.sourceforge.net/news.php?show_news=1

	30-05-2003 07:47									#10
	Tired of ads?

LOL they might as well not release the code patch. If there even is one. They wont make any more money from here on out. It would be a waste for them to try to fix this game. years upon developement----WTF were they doing LMAO. Probably spent up all their money and had no choice but to release it. Best game of the decade my ars. LOL.

Ive stood up for MOO3 for the longest time--but i see no point in even waiting for the code patch. They probably already abandoned it as well as this game. perhaps someday MOO4 will be released and actually will be a good game. But as far as MOO3-it was the biggest let down ive had in the gamers community. SIGH.

	01-06-2003 06:41									#11
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu Sucks, doesn't it? Luckily, we can all still go back to play Orion I... wait, it doesn't work with Windows ME. Ehh, never mind.

You can play MOO1 in WindowMe you must set it up to run in MSDOS . I know as I play it on my WINDOWMe computer.

	03-06-2003 18:23									#12
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by KRONOS1974 Ive stood up for MOO3 for the longest time--but i see no point in even waiting for the code patch. They probably already abandoned it as well as this game. perhaps someday MOO4 will be released and actually will be a good game. But as far as MOO3-it was the biggest let down ive had in the gamers community. SIGH.

I still give it 2nd place behind the Sierra Onlines pathetic attempt to convert Front Page Sports Football to 3d engine. It was so messed up they had to recall the game from stores, then cancelled the entire Front Page Sports series.

	03-06-2003 21:16									#13
	Full PM-box? Change here!

Before the MOO3 game release, every professional preview on the major game sites was positive and glowing. Only after release when ordinary purchasers begin to weep and wail in horror and despair did hard hitting, no punches pulled reviews begin to appear. We need a new game preview site:

www.honest_opinion_game_reviews.com.

I am so very sorry for everyone involved in this tragedy. The programmers worked very hard, fans and modders put in a lot of hours trying to ... but nevermind, too late now.

	05-06-2003 02:04									#14
	Got spare money?

Thanks gods i waited for MoM2, not MoO3. Now this team just will not find money to do MoM2.

	05-06-2003 03:05									#15
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by wilebill Before the MOO3 game release, every professional preview on the major game sites was positive and glowing. Only after release when ordinary purchasers begin to weep and wail in horror and despair did hard hitting, no punches pulled reviews begin to appear. We need a new game preview site:

Revisionist history much?

There were two very positive reviews (Jonah Falcon and Barry Brenesal), one of which still openly acknowledged a number of faults in the game, and the rest were mixed, at best. And that was all before "ordinary purchasers begin to weep and wail in horror and despair."