27-05-2003 04:30									#1
	Limit's to new members? Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

If you look at the members in each faction, you will notice that the Hive has many more members than any other. I am proposing that we put a limit on the amount of people who can join a faction, as the more people one has, the more active it seems, and thus the more people want to join it.

Therefore I ask you:

1) Do you want to have a cap on numbers?

2) What cap do you want it to be.

You have 3 days, please vote for one from 1, and 1 from 2 if you vote yes in 1.

	27-05-2003 04:44									#2
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We should try to balance out the number and suggest new members to factions that are in need of members, but I would have to say no to mandating a specific limit number.

	27-05-2003 05:03									#3
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As do I, but people come and say as their first post which they want to join, and they are let in. There isn't time to persuade them usually. Therefore I think it is needed, and favour twice the number of the least. That means, say the least is at the moment the CyCon, with 8, the most any faction is allowed is 16. Seems reasonable, and would stop everyone joining the Hive, as seems to be happening at the moment. I don't want to see this turn into a Hive DG with a few other factions play by small teams.

	27-05-2003 05:14									#4
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i think we should have a staggered system. Where the largest faction becomes "locked" and cannot accept new members until another faction gets within a reasonable amount of members. So say the Hive becomes locked at 17. We cannot accept new members until the P.U.T obtains, say, 14 members.

Basically there would be a threshhold that would be reached for max pop until another faction gets close.

	27-05-2003 05:16									#5
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I would usually say "the more the merrier" but that means that a lot of people will end up sitting around their faction forums with nothing to say or do.

Not that there's anything wrong with that.

	27-05-2003 05:18									#6
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I vote more than half the total members, but I also forgot to click "yes" whoops.

-Jam

	27-05-2003 05:18									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Zero We should try to balance out the number and suggest new members to factions that are in need of members, but I would have to say no to mandating a specific limit number.

who says the factions need members

	27-05-2003 05:31									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Frankychan i think we should have a staggered system. Where the largest faction becomes "locked" and cannot accept new members until another faction gets within a reasonable amount of members. So say the Hive becomes locked at 17. We cannot accept new members until the P.U.T obtains, say, 14 members. Basically there would be a threshhold that would be reached for max pop until another faction gets close.

That's what the double lowest faction is. Once the lowest faction moves up, the highest one can go up too. It means it can grow as the game grows, but never gets too out of sequence with the others. Thus the Hive cannot get more members until the CyCon has 1 more (9) members.

	27-05-2003 05:33									#9
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While I don't like the idea of limiting people to certain factions, I must say that the current trend is disturbing. I think that no more than half the total members should be in a certain faction. Of course, if it gets to the point where people aren't joining because they can't get into their favourite faction, maybe we should just accept the reality that lots of people are going to have to quit early when the Hive is defeated.

	27-05-2003 05:38									#10
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	27-05-2003 05:40									#11
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But you let them in? I had someone called "yousuck" try to join. They don't even show up on the member list, so somehow I don't think I'll be letting them in.

	27-05-2003 05:46									#12
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	27-05-2003 05:46									#13
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	27-05-2003 05:53									#14
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I can't see any of the CyCon doing that. Most of us are ex-ACDG1, and are known to be in it for fun, RP and long term, rather than just to win, and those that aren't seem very trustworthy to me.

	27-05-2003 06:10									#15
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I have two new members on hold and in the excitment of being a mod, I let in a GeminRai. GeminiRai hasn't posted since he joined with a 1/2 day 7 post burst.

I would like to de-list him/her but I don't know how.

I now require a definite email address.

If I had accepted some new volunteers, the Pirates would be at 11.

	27-05-2003 06:15									#16
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Hive Security is getting lax, those posts were up for at least half an hour before they were deleted!

	27-05-2003 06:30									#17
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20 minutes, I'd say

-Jam

	27-05-2003 06:35									#18
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I am not in favour of limits but I am in favour of a proper recruitment thread: a new faction sign ups thread. Also in other forums the Mods are sceptical of new posters with no posting history suddenly wishing to join factions.
Now some new candidates even provide a SMAC/X playing posting history.
(check the intersite Civ3 DG).

As far as is reasonable I try to check a new pirate members creditionals. I don't want to hamper enthusiasm. The most basic requirement is a working email address.

God if I accepted everyone who wanted to join the pirates we'd have 54 members at least.

	27-05-2003 06:38									#19
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hercules, are you serious? thats ****ing ridiculous!

	27-05-2003 06:43									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Hercules we'd have 54 members at least.

Ah these darned voice-activated word programs. He actually dictated five more and the stoooopid program heard five four



G.

	27-05-2003 08:22									#21
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No need for a cap.

If it is a matter of a faction getting too crowded, then politely inform them that application for membership is closed.

Plus i like being in a small faction. If more want to join that's fine, but how helpful is it forcing someone into a faction they'd rather not be in?

	27-05-2003 08:31									#22
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Double what foolish_icarus said!

Why is it that some people just can't have a complete day without making a rule for somebody else to have to live by?

	27-05-2003 08:45									#23
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its hive nature mongoose, you we know this

	27-05-2003 10:05									#24
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Check the thread starter and you'll see that we didn't. The Hive is merely contributing it's thoughts.

	27-05-2003 16:52									#25
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I voted no.
I see no sense in closing out potential Joiners just because "there are already 2 people to much in that faction"/ "you have to wait till 3 more people join the University"

Sounds rubbish to me.

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	27-05-2003 17:29									#26
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I voted no. It's up to the individual factions to attract new members. I have no idea what we the CyCon could do that besides what we have already done though. I thought the CyCon would be one of the most popular factions, judging from all those "Who is your favourite faction?" polls in the SMAC-General/Help/Strategy forum.

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	27-05-2003 17:49									#27
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The trouble with the CyCon is that you're just not evil enough. You're the diet coke of evil - only one calorie, not evil enough

-Jam

	27-05-2003 18:20									#28
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Mongoose: Because one of my, and many peoples, fears at the begining was that it would turn into a normal DG with a few other factions operated by a couple of people. It is self-perpetuating, many people IMHO join the Hive because it has the most people, and thus seems the most active. I just wanted to make it that other teams don't die out, causing the game to stop. We're not making rules for the sake of it, but we need to discuss things, and at the start, like now, seems like a good time to do it.

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	27-05-2003 20:25									#29
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Well, the groups seem healthily sized enough:

8.....9.....9....10.....17

I think Jamski has it right - with the exception of maybe the Pirates, the others are kinda vanilla factions, researchers/builders, much like the Peacekeepers

Morgan might have attracted a following, esp if they RP'd an economic victory, or Gaians, going for a green conquest.

We seem to have 79 registered for the DG general forum, and 53 cumulative for the private forums - even with me registered for all five PF's (and possibly GT as well) it still doesn't compute. Where's the discrepancy?

G.

	27-05-2003 20:39									#30
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Its a shame we don't have Lal for a good old fashioned "good vs evil contest" - hopefully one of the other factions will take the "good guys" role to oppose the evil evil Hive. But all the factions are a bit evil in this game....

-Jam