27-05-2003 09:39									#1
	Do you wish to see PtW + Conquests for the Mac? Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

I think it's terrible that these expansion packs have not been released for the Mac. Who would like to see them on the Mac? Mac OS X specifically.

	27-05-2003 09:45									#2
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I think it's good. It discourages people from using Macs

Plus, where's the profit? Why should they cater to a limited market?

	27-05-2003 18:44									#3
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I don't reallly care as I don't have a mac and I don't know anyone that has...

	27-05-2003 19:29									#4
	Re: Do you wish to see PtW + Conquests for the Mac? Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by rmendis I think it's terrible that these expansion packs have not been released for the Mac. Who would like to see them on the Mac? Mac OS X specifically.

Absolutely! However, inherit difficulties w/ the software (PTW) make it unlikely for some time. Certain glitches w/ PTW cause mac publishers (MacSoft Games) to cringe. It is likely a gold edition down the road could be ported.

Below is a post by cracker at CFC just today:

"On the issue of a MAC PTW, I cannot speak for a position of knowing what INFOGRAMES/ATARI/MACSOFT/FIRAXIS will do in this area but just based on a gut feel for some of the difficulties encountered so far with just the PC version of the software, it will be hard to have a positive expectation of a full PTW available for our Mac brethen. There are a whole range of rather ugly internal PTW issues that are only just beginning to be solved in PTW.

(My favorite example is that units in PTW with the "Hidden Nationality" flag as an ability are now immortal)

What we can hope for is that the conquests pack only requires the basic Civ3 purchase as a prerequisite but that it may include the latest single player patch functions.

Also, they are unlikely to do this as a product, if the Mac players pleaded for a functional game but releasing the Mac software executable without an editor would more than quadruple the chances of the game being available for you to play. (Brad won't like to hear me say this, but it is my gut feel nonetheless)."

	27-05-2003 19:31									#5
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MAC is for working

PC is for playing

i voted NO

cheers

	27-05-2003 20:53									#6
	Re: Re: Do you wish to see PtW + Conquests for the Mac? Inflate your Upload Space

quote: Originally posted by dojoboy Absolutely! However, inherit difficulties w/ the software (PTW) make it unlikely for some time. Certain glitches w/ PTW cause mac publishers (MacSoft Games) to cringe. It is likely a gold edition down the road could be ported.

Well, that is good news.
I certainly hope that the Gold edition makes it to the Mac.

What would be cool is to have just the Civs/MODS/Scenarios ported to the Mac. I mean like the Apolyton Extrapack. How difficult could that be.

In fact, if i had the time now (and the PC version of PtW) i would do that. That is one would have to copy the Art, Sounds and Animations as well as develop an advanced MOD for Civ3/Mac as well as test it.

I don't think the Multiplayer features are that essential. After all it must be a small fraction of Civ3 players who ever use MP...those who have the time and can organise themselves to play together. That market would be even smaller on the Mac, so why bother with those features on the Mac? What i'd really like to play with is the new Civs in PtW. Vikings namely

Thanks for the info/thought.

	28-05-2003 02:12									#7
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Hidden nationality units are immortal???

Again, I think that releases for the Mac would seriously decrease support for the PC's, as they're on a shoestring already.

	28-05-2003 07:30									#8
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Hidden nationality units are immortal??? Again, I think that releases for the Mac would seriously decrease support for the PC's, as they're on a shoestring already.

PC publishers and Mac publishers care little for who's going to be the "dominant" platform. That's already been decided. I believe you may be giving too much influence to computer gaming. It probably provides a luxurious living to a selective few; however, PC/Mac serious revenue lies in other areas (e.g. business applications). Just take a look at Atari's (Infogrames) bottom-line, recent cut-backs, and their "coincidental" partnership w/ Firaxis.

	29-05-2003 02:26									#9
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quote: Originally posted by statusperfect MAC is for working PC is for playing i voted NO cheers

hi ,

do you even own a mac

probably not , ....

have a nice day

	29-05-2003 02:27									#10
	Re: Do you wish to see PtW + Conquests for the Mac? Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: Originally posted by rmendis I think it's terrible that these expansion packs have not been released for the Mac. Who would like to see them on the Mac? Mac OS X specifically.

hi ,

YES

btw , we have a mac section at poly > http://apolyton.net/forums/forumdis...?s=&forumid=131

even a mac group , see the little mac icon under panag

have a nice day

	29-05-2003 02:31									#11
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Hidden nationality units are immortal???

In multiplayer for patch levels below 1.24 they are.

	29-05-2003 02:40									#12
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I don't see much point in PTW alone for the mac aside from the extra units (which would be worth all the money to me). Apparently the multiplayer doesn't work well on the PC and Mac people probably wouldn't be able to play PC people over multiplayer anyway (that happened with some other games I had).

The Gold edition idea sounds good.

	29-05-2003 03:35									#13
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quote: Originally posted by dojoboy PC publishers and Mac publishers care little for who's going to be the "dominant" platform. That's already been decided. I believe you may be giving too much influence to computer gaming. It probably provides a luxurious living to a selective few; however, PC/Mac serious revenue lies in other areas (e.g. business applications). Just take a look at Atari's (Infogrames) bottom-line, recent cut-backs, and their "coincidental" partnership w/ Firaxis.

I mean support for the PC version of Civ3

Oh, and actually the gaming industry is the main force behind computing technology today, and has been for years.

	29-05-2003 04:29									#14
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Most of the major issues with multiplayer have been solved with patch 1.21. The issue I see with a Mac version is that it uses Microsoft's DirectPlay as its core networking technology. The rumor I heard is that Conquests will contain the additional features from PTW.

	29-05-2003 04:32									#15
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quote: The rumor I heard is that Conquests will contain the additional features from PTW.

Of course it will! How couldn't it?

	29-05-2003 05:20									#16
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I'm in the "I don't care" crowd. I don't own a Mac, and I don't think about it one way or another. I assume Atari will push for a Mac port is they expect to make money with it, or to have a significant image gain.
If they think a mac port won't bring profits, they won't do it.

I continue to assume Atari will port the Gold Edition to mac, and they'll make it look like a whole new game. It should be an event in the small Mac gaming community (I was amazed seeing the "Mac Games" display at my store almost completely covered by Civ3 boxes, despite Civ3 having shipped one year earlier )

	29-05-2003 16:38									#17
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker I mean support for the PC version of Civ3

Oh.

quote: Originally posted by skywalker Oh, and actually the gaming industry is the main force behind computing technology today, and has been for years.

Really, such as?

	29-05-2003 18:56									#18
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No im against it

	29-05-2003 19:16									#19
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quote: I'm in the "I don't care" crowd. I don't own a Mac, and I don't think about it one way or another. I assume Atari will push for a Mac port is they expect to make money with it, or to have a significant image gain. If they think a mac port won't bring profits, they won't do it.

You too?

Who would be actively against Civ for Mac, when we don't have to be responsible for the costs?

	29-05-2003 21:38									#20
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Yes they should include the XP's for the Mac

	29-05-2003 23:25									#21
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There's not any market out there...not enough people use Mac to really be worth releasing anything for it IMO.

	30-05-2003 02:46									#22
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quote: Originally posted by dojoboy Oh. Really, such as?

Well, the 3d graphics card on your computer was not designed for users of word processers and spreadsheet programs ditto for the sound card. People buy cell phones with screens not because of video calls and such, but to play games. It's because you don't need a really powerful processer to do business work (at least not on your desktop or laptop), but you DO to play graphics- and/or computational-intensive games.

	30-05-2003 06:38									#23
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Well, the 3d graphics card on your computer was not designed for users of word processers and spreadsheet programs ditto for the sound card. People buy cell phones with screens not because of video calls and such, but to play games. It's because you don't need a really powerful processer to do business work (at least not on your desktop or laptop), but you DO to play graphics- and/or computational-intensive games.

Interesting. I had always understood it was military technological advances that had made its way to the consumer.

	30-05-2003 09:08									#24
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Heck no. The computer on an Aegis Cruiser, for example, has about as much processing power as the 2 year old computer I'm typing this on.

	31-05-2003 18:53									#25
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Heck no. The computer on an Aegis Cruiser, for example, has about as much processing power as the 2 year old computer I'm typing this on.

hi ,

pssst , they are going to get them new 17 inch laptops now , .....

anyway , lets hope we dont have to wait a couple years for this , .....

so that we can buy it also around x-mass

have a nice day