03-03-2001 10:13									#31
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I think the first millennium is traditional - but ask Paul, not I?

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"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

	03-03-2001 10:34									#32
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I am not the keeper of the rules, but I think last OCC Succession we played 10 ten turns before passing the game. Is that the 1st Millennium? I guess it would be.

Right then, 10 turns unless told otherwise.

Should we finalise the lists and then break this into 2 threads?

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	03-03-2001 11:20									#33
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looks fine to me.Now, to set the odds and take wagers.

	03-03-2001 12:17									#34
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SG(2), if you want to join you can be the 6th player in the MGE game. Then we'd have 6 players on both games.

	03-03-2001 15:15									#35
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OK Paul - I'm in! Now where did I put my copy of the Paulicy?
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	03-03-2001 18:14									#36
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TEAM MGE

4000 BC We have Bronze Working, Ceremonial Burial, Iron Working, Mysticism and ... Warrior Code . Full of enthusiasm, the Carthagian Settlers explore their surroundings ...
3950 BC Terrain looks very bad after all! Not even a second special . We decide to move further into the unkown black, even though chances are we are just giving the other team a huge headstart
3900 BC Another silk, but in large forest
3800 BC Finally, a hut: N-Chariot. We sight a buffalo near more open terrain
3700 BC Wheat! This looks more like it
3550 BC Wow, another hut. We get 50 gold. Our Chariot sees a decent spot with river, whales and another buffalo, but it's a long walk for our Settlers. The wheat/buffalo spot may have more to offer, even though the city square is hills. We take a gamble and have one of our Settlers irrigate the Buffalo.
3450 BC Silk discovered, this looks like home (4 specials). First Settlers arrive and start to mine the hills on the intended city square
3300 BC Buffalo irrigated
3150 BC Our Chariot pops another hut: 50 gold. Carthage founded at (59,11) (Silk, Wheat, 2 Buffalo, no rivers, probable ocean access). We start building Settlers. First research goal is Alphabet. Because of the hills research will be slow for the time being, so we intend to grow to size 3 asap.
3000 BC N-Settlers complete mining the hills on the city square
2750 BC The Lady Ribannah leaves her Carthagian citizens in good health. May they forever prosper!

Note to successor: the Settlers built won't disband the city (they can join after the city hits size 2 - watch the happiness, there is a way ).

Challenge to Team 2.42: to found the city on a different location (hey, we came here first! )

Edit: zipped save sent to kcbob and Paul


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	03-03-2001 18:50									#37
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Great it looks all set up to start !
Let’s find a name for the MGE vs 24.2 rivalry :
Oxford vs Cambridge
Abel vs Caïn
Schumacher vs Hakkinen
Napoleon vs Wellington
Wisdom vs Youth
Any other idea ?

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	04-03-2001 07:33									#38
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skins vs. shirts?

I have the game from Ribbanah and will crank it up momentarily.

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	04-03-2001 08:10									#39
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Turn completed through 1950 BC and sent to Julius.

In the second millennium of our great people’s history, one came forth to lead the people. A man of vision, albeit 20-200 vision, his name was kcbob. As he looked over the land and the city, he was frustrated. The gods had decreed that only one city would ever be built and it’s beginnings were slow.

As kcbob began to make decisions which would set the nation’s course forever, the last two of his predecessor’s decisions, Ribbanah the Magnificent, brought fruition. A settler was trained and the Alphabet was discovered. This last event merely showed just how Ribbanah earned her place in history since she was able to set down her history before learning to write.

Be that as it may, Code of Laws was chosen for futher research as the people clamored for a king (or queen ). And realizing that we would have only one city throughout eternity, the people began to build a big. No wait, make that a large. No, I think it should be an extra large. How about a huge? No, I have it… a Colossus!!! Yes, a Colossus so that knowledge might increase.

But in the very next season, unhappiness swept over the nation. The people’s spiritual well-being had been neglected. With no other recourse, the big, large, extra large, huge, Colossus was torn down, a temple erected and before you could say “Waaahh”, unhappiness was no more. The Colossus was begun anew, buffalos irrigated, chariots sent searching, and all was well with the world. We had music. We had rhythm.

Who could ask for anything more?


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	04-03-2001 08:12									#40
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Crimenently! I just realized I was supposed to play through 1500 BC. AARRGGHH!!

I bequeath my extra turns to Julius. He may need them considering our slow start.

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	05-03-2001 02:34									#43
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kcbob, could you mail me a copy of your final save?

	05-03-2001 02:41									#44
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Doesn't look like our game is taking off.TomD may MIA.

SG1-do you want to go ahead and get the ball rolling?


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	05-03-2001 19:03									#46
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Where are you Tom?

I shall kick the game off tomorrow (Tuesday) if there is still no sign of Tom - that OK with everyone?



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Scouse Git[1]

"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

	05-03-2001 20:45									#48
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Well, looking at Ribannah's log, I see I went the wrong way - South West instead of North East. Woops. As a result, our city location stinks - literally, it's built on a swamp.

here's our log so far for the v242 game:
ah, warrior code. excellent...
(we also have the less useful bronze working, ceremonial burial, iron working, and mysticism)
3800BC - horsemen NONE (hut)
3450BC - legion NONE (hut)
man, this sucks... the only site I've found that has any possibilities is a whale and pheasant with a grassland at the other corner. Problem is, its on a swamp! Beginning to convert to grassland... why did I have to start
2950BC - 25 gold (hut)
2850BC - swamp converted to grassland
2800BC - founded Carthage (40, 24)
2750BC - start research in alphabet
well, my enlightened reign is over, and none too soon. Good luck guys.

edit: I've sent the save off to SG1
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	06-03-2001 10:07									#49
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Team 2.42 - SG1 takes the helm:

2750 BC - switch production to Settler
2500 BC - Alphabet -> Code of Laws
2450 BC - Barbs (2 Legion + King land to the North) Fortunately our Legion has nearly returned.
2350 BC - Settler -> Warrior
2300 BC - Legion becomes vet by spirited defence of woodland
2200 BC - Horse meets Roman Horse; swap Bronze for Writing; (does that make Monarchy available next?) swap Iron for Alliance; sha'n't ask for gift - frightened of tech. (they have Horse & Masonry)
2150 BC - Tom DeMille's vision has proven a Godsend - Silk to the SE! Settler 'Bs' back into Carthage for size 3;
2100 BC - Warrior#2 -> Colossus (tempted to try for Library, but might miss the Wonder)
900 BC - if I have counted my beakers correctly ...
1850 BC - Code of Laws -> Monarchy (oedo's unfinished works ...) (12 turns using the Pheasant for shields, <10 using the ocean to maximise trade)
1750 BC - Veii spotted
1650 BC - Romans get Pottery
1550 BC - hut sighted in forest - I was beginning to think that there were none - maybe Rib's bl**dy goblins got here first!
1500 BC - hut yields 50g and my stint is over ...

Thanks Tom - not such a stinky location after all


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"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven
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	07-03-2001 02:21									#50
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For the MGE team : I will try to play my turns tomorrow evening.

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	07-03-2001 14:40									#51
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Hueij, where are you?

and when you do return - how does one pronounce your handle?


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Scouse Git[1]

"Staring at your screen in horror and disbelief when you open a saved game is one of the fun things of a succession game " - Hueij
"The Great Library must be built!"
"A short cut has to be challenging,
were it not so it would be 'the way'." - Paul Craven

	07-03-2001 20:27									#52
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Website for the second OCC succession series now available.

	10-03-2001 19:14									#55
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Took the game in 1950 BC. 1st thing I did was to put the rate at 60% science ! Discovery is 22 turns : gulps ! 1900 BC settler adds size to Carthage, now size 3 and discovery is 11 turns, with worker3 on silk : better. 50 gold in hut, yes the Brenzaidas are bold ones. 1800 BC difficult decision : should the chariot look for other huts and other nations or come back for the soon to come barbarains leaders. Brenzaidas are bold ones and the chariot heads in some direction (no informations for 2.42). 1700 we discover Code of Law but cannot choose Monarchy. We take currency. 1600 BC, 50 more gold from hut. 1150 BC : Colossus build. This continent is big, big, big ! 1100 BC : none legion from hut. Our neighbors are not that far away ! Constant micro-management between food and trade (we got nothing great to build so far). 1000 BC we discover currency. Monarchy is next !!! We’ve built too warriors up to 900 BC. 800 BC, now size 4 ! 775 BC, barbarians ! 725, Monarchy the worst year for Oedo’s table. Writing next. We’ve got a marketplace. 650 BC revolution, 625 BC we’re a kingdom now ! Barbarians never approached.

	10-03-2001 19:16									#56
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Game sent to Paul. I played more than 25 turns because Kcbob played less than 25. I’ve respected Paul planning. It’s all going well except science is slow (but 8 turns now). I don’t remember if writing was avalaible instead of currency. If yes, I made a little mistake. A library is required ! No foreign contact yet !
Sorry for the time I took, but it was quite a week for me !

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	10-03-2001 23:26									#58
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600 BC Barrack
Sell Barrack
450 BC Writing
425 BC Library
400 BC Romans: alliance; gift Map Making
325 BC Egyptians: aliance; share maps; gift Mathematics
175 BC Literacy
1 AD Trireme

1 AD save sent to Roman

	11-03-2001 00:37									#59
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Despite the 500 its 500 year length, my reign was relatively uneventful. There was one barbarian uprising near Carthage, which was promptly put down by our legion. Republic has been discover and Roman was proclaimed the first Counsul. Roman decided that only gazing on the stars can lead us to discover the new secrets of the universe and hence commisioned research into Astronomy. In the meantime the Egyptians completed the Great Library and the Chinese constructed the Marco Polo's Embassy. Upon discovering Astronomy the construction of the great Copernicus' Observatory was begun. It continues to this day. Extensive exchange of knowledge was initiated with the Egyptians and the Roman's which yielded such useful technologies as Medicine and Trade, but unfortunately when Egyptian's took pity on us and helped us modernize our nation they gave us the wheel! . After all these exchanges the research time increased from 11 turns to 18! Embarassed at this and unpopular among the people, Roman resigned in favour of the new ruler.

Up to SG(2) now. Unfortunately I don't have his e-mail, so I sent the save to Ribannah and asked her to mail it to him. Tks.