28-05-2003 02:55									#1
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Would you get into business, or get a job in business that is perfectly legal, might be considered as morally wrong, but you are not hurting anyone in any way, and everyone is happy about it?

Key words, legal, morally questionable by some people, no hurting of anyone, everyone gaining and being happy about it.

What do you think?

	28-05-2003 02:58									#2
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What do you mean by not hurting anyone? Physically, monitarily, and emotionally..


Because I don't really care about some of those

	28-05-2003 02:59									#3
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Depends if I thought it was morally questionable or not.

	28-05-2003 02:59									#4
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not in any of those ways.

	28-05-2003 03:01									#5
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It depends. I think prostitution, drugs, and gambling should be legal. Considering the question, I would have no problems running a marijuana business or a brothel. I don't think I would own a casino. Although gambling doesn't hurt others directly, it can easily destroy lives. Harder drugs can too, are very addictive, and dangerous; but marijuana, IMO, presents the same threat (if not less) than alcohol. It can be used responsibly, or it can be abused.

The prostitution thing isn't even a question. Brothels, if subject to public health regulations, can function and be safe while provided a good service to lonely or horny guys. Women can make good money and have fun. The stigmas associated with prositution, IMO, are present primarily because of it's criminalization.

	28-05-2003 03:02									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Pekka Would you get into business, or get a job in business that is perfectly legal, might be considered as morally wrong, but you are not hurting anyone in any way, and everyone is happy about it?

youīre talking about whores? or pornstars?

	28-05-2003 03:03									#7
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Sava, ok.. while you think these should be legal, this actually is a legal business too, nothing shady about it, or almost legal, it is legal and big business in the world.

	28-05-2003 03:06									#8
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Most, if not all things that I think are morally wrong hurt somebody. It's not possible for me to do something I consider wrong yet hurts nobody, because hurting people is part of my definition of wrong.

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closer to pornstars. Prostitution is not very simple, it can be hurting the prostitute itself. Though it can be argued that if condition are good and no one is forced to do it, health regulations are taken cared of, prostitutes safety looked after and nto being ripped off money wise, it wouldn't be hurting. But this is not about prostitution, as it is not legal here. But close to pornstars sure.

	28-05-2003 03:08									#10
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As you put it (and assuming that you do not share the questions raised by some people), it is not a moral or ethical problem. You have just to ask yourself how long you will be motivated to do the job.

	28-05-2003 03:10									#11
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if something doesnīt hurt anyone and everyone is happy about it, I donīt see how this could be immoral.

quote: Prostitution is not very simple, it can be hurting the prostitute itself. Though it can be argued that if condition are good and no one is forced to do it, health regulations are taken cared of, prostitutes safety looked after and nto being ripped off money wise, it wouldn't be hurting.

exactly. and thatīs why I even say, laws prohibiting prostitution are immoral.
in some countries, it is legal btw.

	28-05-2003 03:15									#12
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It's not about that really, if I'm motivated or not. I'm broke as hell ok? I really don't have money, and I can't support myself and I'm f*ing ashamed of that fact and angry too.

The only question for me is if my morals will let me do this. This is definitely not hurting anyone. It can be argued, that some people might get hurt emotionally, but it's not really direct, and if that's the case, then some people might get hurt that way from anything else too.
Directly this is not hurting anyone.

	28-05-2003 03:18									#13
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oedo, well it's not THAT immoral, and many people think there's nothing wrong with it. Maybe majority. But it can be argued, that it is immoral.

Ok, you want to hear something ridicolous. I'm basing this on religion, and I think christianity might not agree with this being moral, and I do give it weight because I try to think things that way too.

	28-05-2003 03:20									#14
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Pekka, are you thinking about becoming a porn star?

	28-05-2003 03:24									#15
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Personally, I think profiteering in the pharmaceutical and medical industries is more immoral than the sale of marijuana or prositution.

	28-05-2003 03:24									#16
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Not really. I'm not being asked for doing any acting.
Group of people I know are putting up a business, and they know my situation and have asked me if I want to be part of it, doing various jobs. It will have strict rules for keeping actors safe, 0% tolerance for drugs, health things consider, everybody getting their fair share of possible income, everyone being treated good. But I just don't know.. I am attempted very much, I don't want to do this for the rest of my life, but as for now for a while, I think it could be cool. But on the other hand my other side is telling me that if I do this, I'll go to hell

I know it sounds stupid, but that's the way I am.

	28-05-2003 03:27									#17
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Pekka... beating up kids and selling his body...

	28-05-2003 03:27									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Sava Personally, I think profiteering in the pharmaceutical and medical industries is more immoral than the sale of marijuana or prositution.

One man's profiteer is another's fair business practice.

	28-05-2003 03:30									#19
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Pekka, That's not to bad. Bad would be telling the prospective "actresses" they have to do an "interview" where they'll just have to show you how they proform.

	28-05-2003 03:31									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Oerdin One man's profiteer is another's fair business practice.

yup... and some people think it's okay to murder... that's why we have prisons.

**note** not all the companies in the American health care industry are immoral... most are decent. Running a fair business is one thing, but if you saw some of the stats on the markups on medical equipment that I've seen, you'd understand.

	28-05-2003 03:31									#21
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feminists consider porn as immoral and they donīt use religious arguments for this. officially they say, this kind of business degrades women. Iīm rather sure at least some of them are just jealous.
I once witnessed public a discussion with several artists about porn and cencorship, where people claimed in a comprehensive way, that this kind of jealousy even influenced christianity in their view on sex. old angry monks couldnīt stand that young beautiful adonis-boys get all the girls they would never get.
writing these lines Michel Houellebecq comes into my mind. anyone read something by him?

	28-05-2003 03:32									#22
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I like porn like the guy next to me, no problem, I don't see anything wrong with that. As long as I'm not treating women bad. I know reality, and that it's not 'real'. I think it's entertainment business for ADULTS, kids get the wrong idea and warped minds. But it's made for ADULTS. But still, something inside me still argues that this is immoral.

	28-05-2003 03:37									#23
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If you would be afraid to tell your mother where you work then don't do it. Best advice I can come up with.

Of course if mom will never find out then...

	28-05-2003 03:42									#24
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I wouldn't run on a prostitution or pornography business, but I would run say, a bar or a casion, or even a drug place if that were legal.

	28-05-2003 03:45									#25
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Well I don't think it degreades women. Sure, there might be businesses that don't treat their stars good, but hey that's bad business. I know these guys and know for a fact, that the ladies are held high when working and their needs are important and that we want to keep them in good feelings about us. So no, they wouldn't drug them up and make them have sex with 10 guys.

They get more money than the men, they're the stars, and when it comes to my buddies, it's up to the ladies. No one is forced to do anything. I think that's quit clear if you want to do good business. It degrades women as it degrades men too, or then it doesn't degrade anyone.
If someone is hurt because some people are having sex and taping it and then selling it.. well then DON'T BUY IT!

Right now, my only dilemma is that my religious conscious is somehow hitting me in the head. I can make arguments and justify this for sure and then make other businesses immoral se well starting from cigarette, booze, gambling, sports and what not.

Kind of funny though, I have no moral problems being a soldier and doing combat.. and that's about killing people. This is about legal product that huge masses buy and not directly hurting anyone. Maybe I'm just brainwashed.

	28-05-2003 03:47									#26
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Oerdin, there's no chance in hell I would ever tell this.. but then again she doesn't have to know, and I'm not the one acting anyway. Just doing normal work pretty much, but the business is .. unique.

And I couldn't do this for too long, but for a while. Mainly because of possible salary and income.

	28-05-2003 03:48									#27
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You'll have to make up your own mind on this one. On the up side you could always get a cammeo part as the mysterious guy in the biker helmet who does the star during her dream sequence.

	28-05-2003 03:54									#28
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Oerding, No I don't have anything against porn. Or the business. And I know I have to make up my own mind. I just wanted to hear what you think about it.

	28-05-2003 03:56									#29
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I guess you should decide which you could live with more; not supporting yourself and being a lazy bum that doesn't want to work because all the jobs you get offered have something wrong with them OR in the porn industry.

Personally, I think you could find something else. Then again, there is the mean time, inbetween time... I don't think that you, Pekka of all perverted ppl, really find this a moral dilema. I think you just feel that you are to good for this position, and don't want to get sucked ( ) into something that you might a) not want to get out of, b) might not have the chance to get out of, c) are embaressed of, and/or d) view as below you.

Sorry, if I pose anything that seems to read into you too much, but from what I have seen of you on these pages suggests that it is one of the above and not really your own morals...

	28-05-2003 04:02									#30
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Japher, thanks for the post. No, you have evaluated the situation incorrectly. I wouldn't mind working in this business, and I wouldn't be doing this for the rest of my life, this I know for sure. This is not against MY moral views. But I just think that.. I don't want to be categorized as the guy who does porn, ok? Sure, I don't mind, but I want to be remembered for doing something else too, it's not a good story for grandchildren you know.. well maybe when they're over 18 but anyway.

This is how I see myself 1. Fail to get into the Uni I want to 2. go to porn business 3. after doing that for a while -> career soldiering and combat 4. HELL

Really.