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May 2003
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RON freez = AMD prob Increase Your PM Length

Sometimes I´ve got freezes in RON. I must reboot my PC. After watching serveral Forums it seems to me that RON has got probs with AMD Cpu´s. Am I right or wrong?

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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

It works fine for me... (AMD XP 2000+)

(Oh, I must add that I only have the demo, not the full game yet...)

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Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Works OK on my AMD 1800+

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Two things to try before we go more in depth.
First, Make sure you have all your windows updates.
Second, try installing DirectX 9.0a

Please let me know the results. Thanks!

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@ Locutus & dearmad
Did you run an NT or 9x OS?
@ jbestimt Direct X 9.0a and the latest Updates was already installed before RON.
Yesterday I installed the LargePageminimum Patch and played three matches without probs... Later I will be play some matches more.
I will post here today after played some matches more, if this patch solved my probs...

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Works fine in my XP 2200+, like with ANY OTHER x86-32 bits software!

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@ Zealot
RON was the only game with probs on my machine...

@ jbestimt
The LargePageminimum Patch solved my probs with RON. Today I played 7 Matches without any prob.

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Sasy2k you r0x0r. Thanks for that info. I'm gonna see if this fixes things for other folks.

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a 9x OS.

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WinXP.

Like Zealot said, a non-Intel processor can only very, very, very rarely be the cause of problems experienced while running certain software.

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May 2003
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@ dearmad
9x system are the best platform for gaming...
@Locutus
dito to Zealot´s statement about non Intel-CPu´s
@jbestimt
Thx. I hope that this will sort out the probs for the other RON gamers...
Btw, some gamers use a very very poor power supply...

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May 2003
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for Sasy2k: I have the same problem !

What is the "LargePageminimum Patch "? and where i can found?

thanks for the answer

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Marco

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ok i found the patch but it's only for Windows 2000.
I have XP Home.....

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@magni72
Should work with XP too.
This is not a MS bug, it´s an AMD CPU bug...

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Sasy2k,
Still, that doesn't mean it's an AMD problem, there could be tons of other causes for it. As was indeed proven in this case: it wasn't an AMD problem per se, but more a Win2k problem. Which is perfectly understandable, as Win2k is NOT a good gaming platform...

The OS level is also really the only level where the CPU could make a difference. Below that, the OS is designed to hide any differences in brand/type/etc of most hardware (video cards being the notable exception in PCs, at least when it comes to games) -- that's the very purpose of an OS (among other things)...

But it's good to hear you the game is working for you now

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@ Locutus
"This is not a MS bug, it´s an AMD CPU bug"
I said this to magni72, because he said that this patch will be still work only with 2000. But there are serveral people, that solved the Freez prob (not only RON) with the LPM Patch and WINXP.
The LargePage Bug is a litte myserious for AMD users
Sure you´re right, there could be a million things, the board, the power supply...
Win 2000 with SP2, SP3 is as good/bad for playing as WinXP...

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Thanks Sasy2k for your replay.
But I see in the AMD WEB SITE that patch are for Windows 2000.
I ask you and at other guy if someone installed it with XP.

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I install the patch for AMD but nothing result!!!

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we're building an AMD system now to repro the bug. I'll try and get an update to ya'll as soon as I can.

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I have a problem and AMD Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I can't install the demo. I have an AMD, DX 9.0 installed, but the demo installation program freezes up - all I get is a message saying "Intializing set up engine . . ."

Any help would be appreciated.

Grifman

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we're building an AMD system now to repro the bug. I'll try and get an update to ya'll as soon as I can.


jbestimt has you had any result to repro the bug????????

I buy the game 3 weeks ago and i never play a game for max 6 minutes....

Please resolve it!!!!!!!!!!!!

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We are currently working on reproing the bug.
In the meantime, can you try the following (from a post by MCoupeAdam):

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Don't forget to go into your Device Manager, view RESOURCES BY CONNECTION and check to see if any cards are sharing IRQs that could be causing problems. It's normal for some devices to share IRQs, as there aren't many, but some cards, such as video and sound cards should not be sharing IRQs.

On the same token, I had a Creative Labs SB Audigy digital sound card, along with a Creative Labs DigitalVCR card. They both ended up on IRQ 11. Couldn't play for 3-5 minutes before lockups. Disabled DigitalVCR card from Device Manager, can now play all night long (and I've tested that!)

Anyways, machine is Athlon 2400XP, 512Mb, ATI Radeon 9500 Pro 128mb 8x AGP, SB Audigy, ViaKT400 chipset w/ PC3200 RAM, Samsung 19" LCD

Of course you need to update all of your drivers, but if you've done that and are still experiencing lockups, check out the IRQ issues. It's fixed more than a few of my friend's machines.

Good lucK!
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Let us know the results. Thanks!

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same pb for me !
abit KD7 xp2000+ dx9 deto44.xx ti4200 and Windows XP pro !

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quote:
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We are currently working on reproing the bug.
In the meantime, can you try the following (from a post by MCoupeAdam):



Let us know the results. Thanks!


OK i verify but i don't have any conflict.


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no conflict for me but freeze ! If there is a conflit all game 3d freeze or crash i have pb only with RON !

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hi
i can test this day :
XP2000+ KT400 GF4 -> freeze
XP1800+ NF2 -> no freeze
XP2400+ KT333 -> freeze
Ahtlon 1g33 + KT133A -> no freeze
PIV2,4 + i845 -> no freeze
strange
edit : all with XP and DX9 and GF4 ( mx or ti ) !

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it seems to me that only when I'm in the latter ages of the game... (industrial & beyond) My AMD 1800+ will crash during a big firefight with a nation of the same technology. could this be that the AMD processor can't keep up with all the calculation that are pretty much happening at the same time?

WIN XP Pro
AMD 1800+
1 GHZ DDR (RAM)
Ge FORCE 2 MX 400 (vid card 64 mb ram)
20 ghz hd
all updated drivers and patches

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hum i dont think why no crash on AOM or C&C or another RTS or FPS ?

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quote:
Originally posted by jbestimt
We are currently working on reproing the bug.
In the meantime, can you try the following (from a post by MCoupeAdam):



Let us know the results. Thanks!



Haha nice to see them quoting my tips... I will qualify myself as having just worked the Ask the Experts area of TechEd in a few different arenas (including Windows 2003 Datacenter Edition) I spend my time now on 32 Processor Intel servers, 96 PCI slots (all 64/32 bit) and 64Gb of RAM. Hey BHG... you guys need a gaming server? You know how many IntelPro 1000 cards I can run in this thing?

I won't tell anyone that MS gave me the marketing gold copy of RoN... it's who you know!

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Weird Tired of ads?

In the beginning the game did run fine for me. Played it with much different civs and many different setts.

Then it began to freeze up after a couple of mins. I encountered the same probs as you guys here. Even as I have Win XP I tried the LargePageMinimum Patch. Result was that instead of freezing I now got a complete crash :-(.

Anyway, the weird thing is, I tried to change setts for quick battle and with some specific settings it NEVER freezes. With the following setts I never got freezes:
My Civ: Turks
Enemy: Chinese
Starting Age: Normal
End Age: Age of Enlightenment (Hope that's the english word)
Map: 2-3
All victory setts: Conquest
Computer difficulty: Medium

If I sett other End Age it freezes again..really weird.
It seems it isn't only a hardware related bug.

My Comp: Athlon XP 2700+, ASUS A7N8X Deluxe, 2x512 MB Corsair 3200 RAM, Radeon 9700PRO, Win XP Pro

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