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Do You Spit? (Time out:0 days after 28-05-2003, 23:27)
Yes, monkeys do it so why shouldn't I
No, monkeys do it so why should I
Maybe, if I bit into a rotten banana
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DaShi is offline DaShi
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http://www.nytimes.com/2003/05/28/i...sia/28CHIN.html

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SARS Makes Beijing Combat an Old but Unsanitary Habit
By ELISABETH ROSENTHAL


EIJING, May 27 — As Mr. Liu sped along the path at Bei Hai Park here, the rumbling in his throat became louder and more intense. A restaurant cleaner, Mr. Liu had a dollop of phlegm to dispose of, and was rushing around the lake to go out the park's west gate.

"No one would dare spit in here these days — you'd get fined a lot and no one's paying wages," explained Mr. Liu, who declined to give his full name but said he had recently been laid off because SARS had decimated his restaurant's business. "In the past no one cared. You spat where you liked. But with SARS everyone's paying a lot of attention."

In its battle against severe acute respiratory syndrome, China is tackling a unique challenge. Spitting is a longstanding Chinese tradition, and spitting potentially spreads SARS.

As a result, to supplement temperature checks and hand-washing posters, the Chinese government has contributed a new weapon to the world's war against SARS: little white plastic spit bags that are handed out in parks and malls, the hardware for a wide-scale antispitting campaign.

Last week on Wanfujing, a shopping street, volunteers dressed as Lei Feng, the legendary Chinese soldier and do-gooder, pressed bags into the palms of passers-by. At the gate of Bei Hai Park last weekend, pretty girls wearing sashes promoting the 2008 Olympics staffed a table where bags were dispensed.

The bags read: "Spitting on the ground is dangerous to your health, and spit contains infectious diseases. But with one small bag in your hands, your health will always be invincible."

This week the Communist Party Central Committee's Spiritual Civilization Office gave its imprimatur to the war against spit, issuing a "Directive on Launching Activities to Transform Vile Habits."

But old habits die hard, and in China there is hardly a more ingrained habit than this one, practiced frequently by men, from lowly peasants to powerful leaders. Deng Xiaoping, the Chinese leader who ushered in the era of economic reforms, was a famous spitter, renowned for his aim.

Until recently, in fact, Chinese leaders had ceramic spittoons placed by their chairs during banquets and ceremonies to greet kings, politicians and business executives. In Chinese culture spitting was regarded as not particularly offensive — far less disgusting than nose blowing, for example.

But as China opened its doors to the outside world, its leaders quickly realized that other cultures took a less sanguine view of the arcs of phlegm that filled China's air.

Current leaders do not use spittoons, and if one tries to enter "spit" and "Deng Xiaoping" or "Jiang Zemin" into a Chinese computer search engine, the screen goes blank. Censors have apparently decided that Internet browsers should not go there.

In recent years the government has begun several campaigns to discourage the habit but until now has met with only limited success. The floors of train stations and hotel lobbies were still dotted with drying gobs, and the sidewalks were a kind of obstacle course, to be navigated with care. Along came a little coronavirus that could live in phlegm, and attitudes quickly changed. Newspapers are filled with antispitting propaganda. The little old ladies of the street committees are now busy stopping spitters in midstream instead of ferreting out neighbors belonging to the banned Falun Gong spiritual movement.

Just as New York's new restrictions on smoking have set off battles between smokers and nonsmokers, Beijing has seen a rise in nasty brawls between die-hard spitters and their foes.

Last week a young spitter threatened and cursed 83-year-old Chen Yongyun when she admonished him, The Beijing Evening News reported. Lately Ms. Chen has been roaming her neighborhood in the Hepingli district with a spray bottle of disinfectant, squirting any phlegm she finds on the ground and covering it with dirt for extra protection.

With efforts like those, the sidewalks have become safer. Ren Chonghua, a sweeper in Bei Hai Park, said: "It used to be all over, and I used to spend my entire day sweeping it up, especially around curbs and ditches. I think the situation is much improved."

But no one is suggesting that spitters give up the habit altogether, just that they avoid spitting on the ground. For most older Chinese men, phlegm is regarded as an unavoidable byproduct of heavy smoking and pollution, and it is taken for granted that it must go somewhere. The government recommends that phlegm be spit into a tissue or a spit bag and then thrown in a bin.

"'I used to spit," said Lu Xiufeng, 68, a retired machinist in Bei Hai, with a stubble of gray on his head and on his chin, "but not anymore, since we are paying a lot more attention to ordinary hygiene. You wait and then use a tissue when you have to spit."

But as he spoke, he kept clearing his throat, his face becoming uncomfortable and his voice increasingly hoarse as the minutes passed.


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Well at least there will be less spiting in China now. I hate it when people spit on the sidewalk.

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I spit, but not on sidewalks and such... that's disgusting

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Disgusting. Just spit any old where.
Maybe this IS good. Cull the herd some more.

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Sloww... that almost sounded like a Bodd's post.

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Spit in the sink, not on the sidewalks... in Singapore I heard spitting in public areas is banned. Gum chewing is totally banned... they don't allow it to enter the country... talk about harsh.

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why not swallow? at least when you're out in public

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Good news. Definitely.

And no, I don't spit. Hint: I grew up in Singapore.

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why not swallow? at least when you're out in public




This thread better not go where I think it is going.

We are talking about spit. Nothing else.

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I have spit on occation but it has been years. I don't know why but in Asia it seemed like people couldn't get through the day without hacking a couple of nice ones on the side walk.

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swallow when you're in pubic

you dirty boy!

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I only spit after I've been exercising, like running around and such...

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i spit / hock loogies in the street a lot, i try not to hit sidewalks or other place people travel often.

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I agree with Gangerolf, swallow your phlem. Let your stomach acids take care of anything in the globs. There aren't many good reasons to do otherwise.

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Pretty good news
If they manage to limit the spitting with the same success they made people wash hands, it'll be great for public health there

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fez, sava you pervs

why do they hand out those bags? why not simply tell people to swallow or is swallowing your own germs bad for you?

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I demand to see one shred of evidence that any species of monkey spits (other than humans, of course).

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In Hong Kong, the government plans to raise the spitting fine to about US$200, not that it really means anything. When they tried to enforce the rules last year, the public health officials were attacked when they tried to give out tickets.

The government is also planning on new rules that would let them evict people from public housing if they don't keep their apartments clean.

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In Hong Kong, the government plans to raise the spitting fine to about US$200, not that it really means anything. When they tried to enforce the rules last year, the public health officials were attacked when they tried to give out tickets.


Some got attacked. Of course, that's a completely idiotic reaction, since doing so changes a minor fine into jail time.

BTW, I think it's just HKD1,200, a shade less than USD150.

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I thought it was going up to $1,500?

Yeah, but the stupid thing is instead of continuing to enforce the littering laws, the civil servants ran back to their safe offices. They should have gone out in stronger force with police protection.

Raising the fine won't do anything if they don't enforce the rules.

I wish they would. It would make Hong Kong a better place. Or at least the littering rules. Spitting isn't that common. I saw more of it in Tokyo in four days than I see in Hong Kong in a year.

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I thought it was going up to $1,500?


I think you are right. I am just a bit confused nowadays

quote:
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Yeah, but the stupid thing is instead of continuing to enforce the littering laws, the civil servants ran back to their safe offices. They should have gone out in stronger force with police protection.

Raising the fine won't do anything if they don't enforce the rules.

I wish they would. It would make Hong Kong a better place. Or at least the littering rules. Spitting isn't that common. I saw more of it in Tokyo in four days than I see in Hong Kong in a year.


They better enforce the rules. Good thing is the overall atmosphere is more conducive to public hygiene nowadays than it ever has been for many years.

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I hate spitting. Awful habit

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They better enforce the rules. Good thing is the overall atmosphere is more conducive to public hygiene nowadays than it ever has been for many years.


I'd like them to get rid of the butcher stores that spill out on the streets. When I was living in Sai Ying Pun, I used to have to walk past a butcher shop that would always seem to have a cow's skull in a garbage basket on the sidewalk. Not the best way to start the day.

I know people have always bought meat this way, but it is time to move forward.

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In Korea, spitting is everywhere.

Pigs heads are good luck for new business.

Or sometimes just half a pigs head.

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I'd like them to get rid of the butcher stores that spill out on the streets. When I was living in Sai Ying Pun, I used to have to walk past a butcher shop that would always seem to have a cow's skull in a garbage basket on the sidewalk. Not the best way to start the day.

I know people have always bought meat this way, but it is time to move forward.


I don't think it's a problem with selling fresh meat, but with how the meat is sold. Right now, many of the stores are unhygienic, and that's bad. The saving grace of the whole thing is the meat gets cooked thoroughly most of the time during preparation of the dishes.

In the long run, the rules should be changed that they could only have the meat inside the store, which should be kept clean.

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oh... not the landover baptist article?

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I totally advocate this practice in hopes of training smoking chicks to habitually......

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Suffering from ads?

Personally, I aint gonna swallow disgusting/gooey/uncomfortable phlems that I could avoid having by just quitting.

No siree, I'll probably smoke and carry a bottle if they start fines for spitting. ( @ myself)

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Plastic phlem bottles should be a hot seller soon

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I spitting is disgusting, and something I reserve only for emergencies.

 
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