30-05-2003 06:32									#1
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THIS TURN we raize Madrid.

After which, all of the governors will need to reexamine their cities, as many of them will have changed corruption and production values.

--Togas

	30-05-2003 06:58									#2
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A tragic day. I hope that one day, like a phoenix from the ashes, Madrid will re-emerge. I must only ask that some great goal be given to the land of our ancestors, where Spain rose to its glory.

Unless the production of Toledo is not affected...

Toledo: 4 turns to Barracks.

Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

	30-05-2003 12:27									#3
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BEFORE razing Madrid :

let the beginning of the turn run until the worker at Barcelona is done. So, Barcelona will have a size of 4 and will not compete with Pamplona to get the Palace.

Barcelona : build a Galley

Set new WF to : 1, 5, 8, 9

	30-05-2003 14:39									#4
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quote: Originally posted by astrologix BEFORE razing Madrid : let the beginning of the turn run until the worker at Barcelona is done. So, Barcelona will have a size of 4 and will not compete with Pamplona to get the Palace.

You cannot wait for this to happen, you have no choice. Either the worker is done at the begining of the turn or it is not.

	30-05-2003 22:33									#5
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When Madrid is raized, we will immediately found New Madrid, and then add the settler to it, making it size 3.

New Madrid will either build a temple or a pikeman, it will mostly depend on if we need immediate use of the tiles outside of the initial radius.

But the following 3 builds are priorities: Temple, Pike, Barracks. After that, we'll build according to needs.

--Togas

	31-05-2003 00:23									#6
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quote: Originally posted by astrologix BEFORE razing Madrid : let the beginning of the turn run until the worker at Barcelona is done. So, Barcelona will have a size of 4 and will not compete with Pamplona to get the Palace.

Not a problem. I test-abandoned the city (and even bumped Zaragossa up to 5 by joining a worker) to see what would happen. Pamplona still got the palace anyway with all 3 cities at size 5.

Pamplona:
Keep going with the Temple. I'm satisfied to finish it first but my next build request will likely be a Granary.

	31-05-2003 04:57									#7
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Ruby Maser...any idea what would happen to Toledo's production?

	01-06-2003 06:47									#8
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quote: Originally posted by astrologix BEFORE razing Madrid : let the beginning of the turn run until the worker at Barcelona is done. So, Barcelona will have a size of 4 and will not compete with Pamplona to get the Palace.

Unfortunately, it HAS to be done at the begining of the turn as that is when the settler will be completed.

Worker things to follow

E_T

	02-06-2003 03:49									#9
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quote: Originally posted by History Guy Ruby Maser...any idea what would happen to Toledo's production?

Señor Calamari, ET would be a far better person to ask. I believe he is more familiar with the corruption calculations than I am. Obviously, it will have to bare more corruption, but the actually percentage drop escapes me. I have to dust off the books and re-familiarize myself with the formula though.

On another matter, has any attempt been made to discuss why ND's galley is in our borders? It would have been far more respectful to have avoided doing so. We cannot be sure that they don't have a landing party that they plan on putting in our moutains, and they should be made to know that this is unacceptable and could raise tensions between our two nations.

	02-06-2003 04:50									#10
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Yes, I noticed. I'm just hoping they don't have a settler aboard.

	02-06-2003 05:58									#11
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430BC Military orders :
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Bulgar Warriors
-move S

Watch Rider
-move S, S

Jungle Patrol
-move E

Mountain Watch
-move W

Guardia Observatoria
-move S

Santiago Charger (in Santiago)
-move W, W, NW (into Zaragoza)

Santiago Charger (in Zaragoza)
-upgrade to Pikeman (20 gold)

Zaragoza Guard (Pikeman)
-rename Santiago Guard
-move SW, W, W (into Santiago)

Feocalvos
-move NE

Nina (taking an excursion down to barb hut)
-move SW, SW, S
-unload Madrid Expedition to W

Santa Maria
-move N, N, W

Armada Guards (two Pikemen)
-move SE, E, E

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Please note locations of ND galley and scouts.

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Leon: No changes

Salamanca: No changes

Last edited by dejon on 02-06-2003 at 06:52

	02-06-2003 06:37									#12
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The save is here. We are on Undernet server, as Poly chat is back down.

I don't know if Togas is going to play the turn or not, but Dejon, Bigfree and I are all online right now.

E_T

	02-06-2003 08:35									#13
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Results

Madrid was disbanded when Settler produced. NEW MADRID build, settler added to it. Size 3.
Barcelona has lost 1 tile of productive land, Toledo is fine.

Our cities are all somewhat different and most are improved. We are making 31gpt now, and our production is clearly better in virtually all of our cities. I urge all of our governors to download the save, rebuild madrid and see how your city has changed.

Mil Strengths remain the same

GoW has reaquired Iron from ND.

ND's galley has vanished

military:
Bulger S
Watch Rider S, S
GuObs S
Valencia Spear (new) W (Sees barb warrior W, NW)
Mountain Watch W
Santiago Charger E, E, NE to Zaragoza
Santiago Charger in Zaragoza UPGRADE to Pike
Armada Guard (both) SE, E, E
Jungle Patrol E
Feocalvos NE
New Med Inf goes to Leon
Leon Guard moves to Zaragoza


Nina SW, SW, S *unloads Madrid Exp SE of barb camp*

Santa Maria (loaded w/ 2 horses) N, N, W


Workers:
Castor ROAD
Pollox ROAD
King's Serf S
Barcelona Worker (New) W, W, S (joins King's)

cities:
Zaragoza finishes Med Inf, starts on Pikeman. (production 8)

New madrid builds Temple (cue = Barracks, Pike)

Pamplona temple in 1, grows to 6 in 2. Given that it's going to be at size 6 in 2 turns, I don't see why a Granary is needed. The nation's new capital needs many more important improvements.

Santiago changed from courthouse to marketplace (no longer needs courthouse) ... 88 turns, Santiago needs more mines.

Leon worker in 1, grows in 2. Production changed to settler now that it grows like crazy AND can produce much faster. We need a new settler pump, this is it.

Vigo grows in 1 (market in 26)

Valencia finishes Spear, starts on Temple


images posted here

--Togas

	02-06-2003 12:16									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Our cities are all somewhat different and most are improved. We are making 31gpt now, and our production is clearly better in virtually all of our cities. I urge all of our governors to download the save, rebuild madrid and see how your city has changed.

Can someone in the loop post the save for the rest of us.

Long live España!!!

	02-06-2003 12:53									#15
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It was a historic turn. Long live to our King ! Long live España !

As for ruby_maser request, please post the save here !

	02-06-2003 19:25									#16
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Hurrah! God's blessings have been bestowed upon Spain once more!

Toledo has its Barracks in 4 turns! [ooc]Thanks, Togas![/ooc]

But how bold these damnable Arabs are! Look, above us is not simply the scout Picahulu, but a horseman is riding towards the borders.

Don Iago Calamari de Toledo

	02-06-2003 22:41									#17
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quote: Originally posted by History Guy But how bold these damnable Arabs are! Look, above us is not simply the scout Picahulu, but a horseman is riding towards the borders.

I can't look at anything until I can get my hands on the save

	03-06-2003 00:20									#18
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(shoves head against a brick wall)

Ouch. There. That was quite refreshing. Now, what were you saying, Ruby Maser?

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Ok, save received

Barcelona will grow in 1 turn and the Galley will be ready in 7 turns from now.

Due to the lost cultural area of Madrid, Barcelona now has only 1 irrigated tile. The second one will be recovered as soon as the borders of New Madrid will grow with its Temple, in 9 turns. It will allow Barcelona to work all the usual tiles in 9 turns. But in the meanwhile Barcelona will grow at the rate of 1 food per turn.

The corruption of Barcelona is now higher, as expected. It's roughly at 29%. I'll confirm it as soon as Barcelona will reach the 6 pop size. In 1 turn Barcelona will produce 7 shields but 2 of these will be wasted. As a result the city will produce 5 clean shields.

End of report.------