30-05-2003 10:03									#1
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Some of you may be familiar with Fred Phelps, leader of the Westboro Baptist Church. He is a hate leader who goes around the country preaching hate against homosexuals, even going to the extent of picketing funerals of homosexuals. He runs the website www.godhatesfags.com Recently he participated in a debated with some theologian known as John Ranking. I don't want to name names in terms of horrible debaters we have had on Apolyton, but Phelps dwarfs them all in this debate

http://www.mars-hill-forum.com/forumdoc/m070dial.html

One of the funniest parts:

quote: Fred: God Almighty makes some willing and he leads others into sin, that’s Calvinism. John: Hyper-Calvinism. Fred: Calvinism! John: Your god is a slave master, and the God of the Bible is one who’s good. Fred: Your god is a peanut, that his creatures rule over him, that the will of the creature prevails over him. Your god is impotent.

	30-05-2003 10:06									#2
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"Your god is a peanut"

I'll remember that one.

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quote: He is a hate leader who goes around the country preaching hate against homosexuals, even going to the extent of picketing funerals of homosexuals.

Being the only apolytoner from Topeka, the home town of Fred Phelps and his gang, they've picketed the funerals of anyone who died under "mysterious" circumstances, i.e., if there is even a hint of AIDS being involved, they'd be out there shouting at the people attending the funeral. They must read the obits looking for younger people who've died without a thorough (and publicised) cause of death, or maybe they have paid informants at hospitals.

I'm quite familar with these people. They threaten lawsuits all the time whenever the city tries to prevent them from harassing people. They've stood on street corners blocking people from leaving the street via the crosswalk. One of their horde literally followed an elderly woman across a local university campus calling her names like, "Jezebel", because she wore make up. They'll picket other churches, they picket politicians and bureaucrats, including the head sheriff, they're almost always out picketing someone or something... To quote Jesus...

"I never knew you".

	30-05-2003 10:46									#4
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Eventhough Mao has not posted in this thread, something makes think he has read it

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I'd like to see how Fred Phelps and his zombies would picket the funeral of a young, but prominent, NRA member who died under "mysterious" circumstances that weren't well-publicized.

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	30-05-2003 11:01									#6
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If those asswipes were to show up at the funeral of any friend of mine, there wouldn't be just one on the way to the burying grounds that day.

	30-05-2003 11:25									#7
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Oh, so that's where Mao got his quote from.

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quote: If those asswipes were to show up at the funeral of any friend of mine, there wouldn't be just one on the way to the burying grounds that day.

There have been people who've taken them to task, but one person doesn't stand a chance against the horde. They don't provoke people when alone, only when they are in a mob.

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As an atheist I can tell you this:

scum like him will burn in hell!

	30-05-2003 11:58									#10
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Atheist ----- hell ????

	30-05-2003 12:34									#11
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btw, did you guys check the other debates? The one about "Does It make sense to be an Atheist" is very good. Not mindless rantings but actually a very intelligent debate. The guy who argued with Fred in the first debate is defending the religious side.

http://www.mars-hill-forum.com/forumdoc/m068cont.html

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Lemme see them doing that where I live! In America, everyone is so friggin afraid of lawsuits, nobody has the guts to do something about it.

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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat If those asswipes were to show up at the funeral of any friend of mine, there wouldn't be just one on the way to the burying grounds that day.

	30-05-2003 15:16									#14
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God, the transcript Shi provided reads like some twisted "Abbott & Costello's Who's On First? " skit!

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quote: Originally posted by DRoseDARs God, the transcript Shi provided reads like some twisted "Abbott & Costello's Who's On First? " skit!

It's funny in a strange way, but ya definitely worth checking out.

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it's people like this that deserve to be sent away, "mysteriously dissapear", egged, and wedgied. (not necessarily in that order).

But like the famous Ron Jeremy said (the actor, not the Apolytoner)-

"Free speech doesn't protect the speech you like, but protects the speech you hate."

	31-05-2003 04:09									#17
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That guy is an ass. His brain is a peanut...( maybe thats being way to generous)

	31-05-2003 04:13									#18
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"Your god is a peanut"

isn't it the same god?

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quote: Fred: And you said you most certainly did not like ad hominem tricks in debate. “Ad hominem” means you ignore the issue and pillory your opponent personally, that’s what you did.

to old ACDGers

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quote: John: One final, simple question. Fred, what are the influences in your life that have led you to believe, speak, and act as you do? Fred: Are you trying to hurt the feelings of my thirteen children?

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too many words I dont know, my head hurts...

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13!?

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I wonder what'll happen if it turns out one or more of Phelps' kids is gay.

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Those with you with Acrobat check out this: http://www.godhatesfags.com/fliers/...y_12-3-2002.pdf

and then their is their "manifesto..."

http://www.godhatesfags.com/main/manifesto.html

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and then there is the terror this man inflicts on Topeka..

http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_hate.jsp?id=129

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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi I wonder what'll happen if it turns out one or more of Phelps' kids is gay.

The odds are that it will happen. Poor little gay kid. Though at least the gay kid will piss his loser dad off.

	31-05-2003 08:32									#27
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quote: Originally posted by alva Eventhough Mao has not posted in this thread, something makes think he has read it

Fine fine, I'll post in every thread I read, happy?

Anyway, this guy's supposed to picket the Harvard Law commencement because a speaker is saying something or other about gay rights. At any rate, a group of us wanna go counter-picket them. If anyone saw the Laramie Project, we wanted to all get wings and surround them. But when we surround them, we'd dip down so no one could see what we were doing under the wings, and beat the crap outta em. If anyone wants to come, you're all welcome, it's Harvard Law, pretty hard to miss. Not sure about the date, but it'd be a nice reunion we could all unite for. At least we can unite against a common enemy sometimes lol

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quote: Originally posted by Berzerker There have been people who've taken them to task, but one person doesn't stand a chance against the horde. They don't provoke people when alone, only when they are in a mob.

I use a different set techniques to persuade mobs.

	31-05-2003 09:48									#29
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Most people don't have banning sticks though .

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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi and then there is the terror this man inflicts on Topeka.. http://www.tolerance.org/news/article_hate.jsp?id=129

Most live on the same block as the church. Hope there's never a gas leak.