30-05-2003 15:55									#1
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I'm confused!

RON is an RTS game right? So why is it being covered so comprehensively by 'poly? Shouldn't 'poly be sticking to turn based games like Civ and MoO and such?

After all, 'poly doesn't have a AoK forum, and even EU is only in the other games forum, so why not just put RON in the other games forum too?

Let's stop this degredation before it gets any further!!

	30-05-2003 16:16									#2
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quote: RON is an RTS game right?

Well yes, but with TBS-like features. But anyway probably the main reason is that Brian Reynolds was lead designer on Civ2, which makes following what he does a natural choice for Apolyton...

	30-05-2003 17:24									#3
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Isn't this site called 'Apolyton - Civilization Site'? Nowhere does it say 'Apolyton - TBS Site' as far as my eyes can tell.

It's quite obvious Rise of Nations is heavily influenced by Civilization. Rise of Nations is just as viable as, if not more viable than, Master of Orion for example.

	30-05-2003 19:48									#4
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So why not also cover AoK?

My objection isn't so much covering the game itself, but that it will change the type of member we have at 'poly. I certainly don't want 'poly to become somewhere that 'l33t d00dz' (or whetever they call themselves) hang out.

	30-05-2003 19:53									#5
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I think those 'l33t d00dz' will find RoN a bit too complicated and deep for their liking.

Age of Kings only spans one age (don't get me started, the four 'ages' in AoK aren't really significant changes), but Rise of Nations spans the entire history of human civilization as we know it. Fits more in the site's theme don't you think?

	30-05-2003 19:57									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh So why not also cover AoK? My objection isn't so much covering the game itself, but that it will change the type of member we have at 'poly. I certainly don't want 'poly to become somewhere that 'l33t d00dz' (or whetever they call themselves) hang out.

Cause whats his name, bruce whatever(?), of ensemble worked on the first Civ?

1. Cause he wasnt nearly as important in the civ line of games as Brian Reynolds. Brian was lead designer on both Civ2 and SMAC. Brian is important to this community in a way that Bruce is not.
2. Cause while AOE/AOK was originally conceived as Civ in RT, it is the opinion of the site owners (and many others) that RON is closer to that than AOE/AOK.

	30-05-2003 19:59									#7
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Well, Poly has to support Brian Reynolds all the time, maybe then he'll agree to make another brilliant TBS game for us.

	30-05-2003 20:09									#8
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quote: So why not also cover AoK? My objection isn't so much covering the game itself, but that it will change the type of member we have at 'poly. I certainly don't want 'poly to become somewhere that 'l33t d00dz' (or whetever they call themselves) hang out.

quote: I think those 'l33t d00dz' will find RoN a bit too complicated and deep for their liking. Age of Kings only spans one age (don't get me started, the four 'ages' in AoK aren't really significant changes), but Rise of Nations spans the entire history of human civilization as we know it. Fits more in the site's theme don't you think?

The l33t guys appear everywhere... we have some here, too, 'interested' in Civ. Of course, you shouldn't try to say that AoK players are like that. While it's true that the majority of AoK players are younger than the majority of Civ players, it doesn't mean that they're worse or less mature - maybe just slightly so.

	30-05-2003 20:37									#9
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Of course not all Age of Kings players are so-called 'l33t d00dz', and I doubt Rogan was implying that but Apolyton has a relatively low number of these people and since 'l33t d00dz' prefer RTS over TBS, Rogan is concerned to see an increase of the number of 'l33t d00dz'. They're not worse or 'beneath us' or anything, but I doubt most people here are waiting for persons coming here to post 'rofl I r0x0r u n00b' etc.

Having Rise of Nations covered at this site makes perfect sense, since it's the closest thing to a real time Civ game you'll get for now and that's what this site is all about right?

	30-05-2003 20:52									#10
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Well, people that post too much crap get banned by our noble moderators . And while l33t guys prefer RTS, I do quite seriously doubt we will see many here. And actually, they love FPS even more, usually .

	30-05-2003 20:59									#11
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Indeed, not that RTS and FPS aren't fun... quite the contrary, but some of the people during a multiplayer game are really pushing it

	30-05-2003 21:01									#12
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Besides, I can't stop remembering what some l33t sites had to say .

	30-05-2003 21:24									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Alex Well, Poly has to support Brian Reynolds all the time, maybe then he'll agree to make another brilliant TBS game for us.

ding ding ding, we have a winner!

Brian Reynold's Civilization IV

	30-05-2003 21:29									#14
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You never gonna see that, Firaxis owns the Civ trademark .

	30-05-2003 21:44									#15
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It would be funny if BHG named their TBS series Civilizations

	30-05-2003 21:48									#16
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They would get quite a lawsuit then...

	30-05-2003 21:50									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Solver They would get quite a lawsuit then...

or spell it the stupid british way, Civilisations, or something.

	30-05-2003 21:55									#18
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Actually, British is the real English . I spell Civilizations with Z just because of Sid...

	30-05-2003 23:35									#19
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Let us quit lying to ourselves and admit that true TBS players only like RON because of its turn-based CTW game, which was intentionally designed to be as little fun as possible ... like all other turn-based games.

This is why AOK, AOM, and (shudder) StarCraft and WarCraft III are not on Apolyton: nothing like CTW in them and they are too much fun to play. Can't have that! Spoils the digestion.

	30-05-2003 23:47									#20
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quote: Originally posted by wilebill Let us quit lying to ourselves and admit that true TBS players only like RON because of its turn-based CTW game, which was intentionally designed to be as little fun as possible ... like all other turn-based games. This is why AOK, AOM, and (shudder) StarCraft and WarCraft III are not on Apolyton: nothing like CTW in them and they are too much fun to play. Can't have that! Spoils the digestion.

I like this guy.

	30-05-2003 23:48									#21
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quote: Let us quit lying to ourselves and admit that true TBS players only like RON because of its turn-based CTW game, which was intentionally designed to be as little fun as possible ... like all other turn-based games.

No. I actually enjoy the other parts quite well, too.

AoK, AoM and these games are not here, because they have NOTHING in common with Civ. RoN comes from one of the creators of Civ, and also does have quite some Civ elements in the gameplay.

	31-05-2003 04:05									#22
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The reason I like this site is that the posse of "|337 d00dz" who "r0x0rz n00bz h00 sUx0rz" are not inteligent to understand the complexities of civ gaming. Now, I'm sure we'll see one or two new guys who consider themselves "|337 d00dz3z" but when we ignore them, they will no longer use that type of speech if they want to get a question answered.

As far as Rise of Nations on Apolyton, I'm glad. This is the only place I've even found decent info about it, and the only reason I played it was because 'poly covered it. I do NOT want to see Apolyton expand into all RTS games tho, who ever said it will dirty up the boards in "|337 sp33|<" is right. It is only something that is funny every now and again, but not in every post.

	31-05-2003 06:05									#23
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j00 r 4|| n00bs h00 sUx0rs, I M a l33t h4x0r, I 0wnZ0R 4t R0N!!1 ph34r My M4D 5KilL5, doODz!!!1`

	31-05-2003 06:11									#24
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haxer jo bXbx

	31-05-2003 06:32									#25
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why do some words end with "0rZ" or "0rs" or "ZOR"??

I don't get it.

you "suxors"? I "ownzor"? I can get noobs and hoo and leet and shite, but what the heck is that?

I only know haxorz, since i have a buddy who is a leet haxor. No really. He is. He was among the founders of blacksun, and securitywriters.org .

	31-05-2003 06:42									#26
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threadjack complete? comp1337?

	31-05-2003 08:32									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus j00 r 4|| n00bs h00 sUx0rs, I M a l33t h4x0r, I 0wnZ0R 4t R0N!!1 ph34r My M4D 5KilL5, doODz!!!1`

Post is reported to the mods !!

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	31-05-2003 09:32									#28
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and this is still before Zylka has entered it, mind...

	31-05-2003 15:05									#29
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quote: why do some words end with "0rZ" or "0rs" or "ZOR"??

I have absolutely no clue (not like I ever used l33t before), I guess that's just a l33t thing to do

quote: Post is reported to the mods !!

I *am* a mod (Just not of this forum )

	31-05-2003 19:43									#30
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quote: quote: Post is reported to the mods !!

quote: I *am* a mod (Just not of this forum )

Ok.., a real mod then