31-05-2003 02:27									#1
	Are the Chinese political prisoners even behind their own computer screens? Inflate your Upload Space

Serious question. I was in an internet cafe the other day, and in debate had some of the stupidest and short sided political misconceptions tossed at me by Chinese internet users. I'm talking downright ignorant and EVASIVE comments beyond anyone of capable mind! The question is, should we really take this gross negligence of reality at face value? Is this a fair reaction of supposedly free westerners behind their own screens???

Now I'm not saying the PRC has each net user at gunpoint the second he hits the switch, but wouldn't it make quite a bit more sense if each zig zagging comment we are troubled with daily were first identified as laced with a dose of fear? People are jailed and downright abused for speaking out against any and every government policy in the middle kingdom, so why would that stop net heads from sugar glossing life in typing to the rest of the world? Why should they be expected to accurately potray and debate reality when any other option just might land them in a jail cell?

I'm not asking for a movement of caring here... but from now on I know my course of action. Any time a Chinese user boasts of his/her grand Utopia, or defends inhuman/ politically backwards practises at home by rather pointing out completey irrelevant & topic deflecting problems in America - I'll just smile and nodd. After all, who am I to put a hardworking, worried young man or woman through undue stress by forcing them to argue for what's wrong online?

"FREE" western world indeed

	31-05-2003 02:31									#2
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quote: I'm not asking for a movement of caring here... but from now on I know my course of action. Any time a Chinese user boasts of his/her grand Utopia, or defends inhuman/ politically backwards practises at home by rather pointing out completey irrelevant & topic deflecting problems in America - I'll just smile and nodd. After all, who am I to put a hardworking, worried young man or woman through undue stress by forcing them to argue for what's wrong online?

You are the man, Zylka!

	31-05-2003 02:31									#3
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[positive spin]Perhaps by posing "acceptable" questions they are purposely looking for "unacceptable" answers that they won't be able to find at home, thereby increasing their effectiveness in combating those self-same dumb arguments at home/school. [/positive spin]

	31-05-2003 02:34									#4
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I see your point, Zylka. Just saw it from UR's PRC posts, as well.

	31-05-2003 02:35									#5
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Any time a Chinese user boasts of his/her grand Utopia, or defends inhuman/ politically backwards practises at home by rather pointing out completey irrelevant & topic deflecting problems in America - I'll just smile and nodd.

Have anybody in mind?

	31-05-2003 02:49									#6
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Zylka, you're trying too hard.

Learn about the basics of debating first. Here you go:

http://www.nizkor.org/features/fall...g-the-well.html

	31-05-2003 02:50									#7
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Yes. I have to agree with you there, bud!

	31-05-2003 02:51									#8
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Yep, Zylka, it appears you were absolutely right.

	31-05-2003 03:05									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Yes. I have to agree with you there, bud!

Alright Zylka, whatever you say.

- insert random patriotic motherland warcry here -

	31-05-2003 03:11									#10
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Wait, maybe I will check your link. Does it outline the below formula:

"Country ChiChi seriously needs to reform problems dealing with A, B, C, D, E, F, and G"
"NOT TRUE! Just look at country Uni and problem H!!!"

*Note, problem H may or may not actually exist*

	31-05-2003 03:15									#11
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I think that may be called a "red herring."

"Poisoning the Well" would be more like

"Country ChiChi seriously needs to reform problems dealing with A, B, C, D, E, F, and G"
"NOT TRUE! You live in country Uni which has problem H, so you're obviously lying!!!"

	31-05-2003 03:16									#12
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"ChiChi"

	31-05-2003 03:20									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Wait, maybe I will check your link. Does it outline the below formula: "Country ChiChi seriously needs to reform problems dealing with A, B, C, D, E, F, and G" "NOT TRUE! Just look at country Uni and problem H!!!" *Note, problem H may or may not actually exist*

No not really. It outlines this formula.

1. Get whooped in an argument.

2. Run away and start another one elsewhere.

3. Make illogical arguments. For example: "You have reason to lie. So you MUST BE LYING!!! mWHAHAAH!!!1`"

4. Have illogical arguments exposed.

5. Slip away in shame.

It's okay, Zylka. We understand.

	31-05-2003 03:30									#15
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quote: Originally posted by ranskaldan No not really. It outlines this formula.

There's nothing even closely resembling that formula on the page that you linked to.

	31-05-2003 03:31									#16
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ethnocentrism. pure and simple

	31-05-2003 03:32									#17
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quote: Originally posted by ranskaldan No not really. It outlines this formula. 1. Get whooped in an argument. 2. Run away and start another one elsewhere. 3. Make illogical arguments. For example: "You have reason to lie. So you MUST BE LYING!!! mWHAHAAH!!!1`" 4. Have illogical arguments exposed. 5. Slip away in shame. It's okay, Zylka. We understand.

I see

...and did you submit the correct documentation before using that formula? I hear that use of these wacky new "theories" can often be labeled as dangerous citizen support of new theories. Watch out!

	31-05-2003 03:35									#18
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quote: Originally posted by loinburger There's nothing even closely resembling that formula on the page that you linked to.

Saying, "you have reason to lie so you must be lying" is a prime example of Poisoning the Well.

Everything else was in direct reference to Zylka, of course.

	31-05-2003 03:36									#19
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Just curious Zylka... have you been to China?

I mean, really been there... not just hallucinated you were there.

	31-05-2003 03:38									#20
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Oh... and have you been outside of your mothers' womb yet? Just wondering, you look a little too doughy for a full term organism

	31-05-2003 03:38									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka I see ...and did you submit the correct documentation before using that formula? I hear that use of these wacky new "theories" can often be labeled as dangerous citizen support of new theories. Watch out!

Yeah, exactly! I heard that too from the Miniluv, Comrade Zylka!

*is hauled away and sent to labour camp for making reference to "1984"*

	31-05-2003 03:43									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka SEARCH FUNCTION OF RELEVANT THREADS WORKS WELL Oh... and have you been outside of your mothers' womb yet? Just wondering, you look a little too doughy for a full term organism

	31-05-2003 03:44									#23
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sigh... and just when I was thinking Zylka might be capable of a somewhat reasonable conversation...

stupid me!

	31-05-2003 03:50									#24
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There's not much to converse, other than - "no, I wasn't hallucinating, smartass" and "go sign up at your local gym"

Was that still not intelligent enough??? SHAME ON ME!

	31-05-2003 03:51									#25
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So how do you "know" that China is so bad if you've never been there?

	31-05-2003 03:53									#26
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Perhaps you missed the thread where I explained my trip to China, or the reference to the fact that I "WASN'T HALLUCINATING"; it therefore being a fullblown episode of reality.

	31-05-2003 04:21									#27
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Well, I have never been to China so therefore everthing I say about it must be incorrect. Thanks Sava for setting me straight.

*Plato is impressed with his new abilities in SAVAian Logic*

	31-05-2003 04:25									#28
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at thread.

Zylka, Sava, y'all need to team up and form a morning radio show or something.



Plato, you could be the sassy producer.

	31-05-2003 05:00									#29
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It'd be fine with me if we weren't allowed to criticize a country if we've never visited it -- the number of ignorant "Lol, it's America's fault" or "Lol, Americans are stupid" posts would suddenly take a nosedive.

	31-05-2003 05:04									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Serious question. I was in an internet cafe the other day, and in debate had some of the stupidest and short sided political misconceptions tossed at me by Chinese internet users. I'm talking downright ignorant and EVASIVE comments beyond anyone of capable mind! The question is, should we really take this gross negligence of reality at face value? Is this a fair reaction of supposedly free westerners behind their own screens???

Is UR really that annoying?