01-06-2003 00:47									#1
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Dear fellow Apolytonians.

Even without our city's revolting we still have a techrate of 32. Without huts or trade we'll be in despo for another 35 years or so.

I therefore propose the following plan:

Set sience to 0% the turn before Poly is reached, Pop all visible huts asap and pray to the gods to give us either Poly or Mon

This also opens up the possibility of trading it with one of the civs we havent met yet.

Question for cityplanner and defence minister:
Can we train a couple more Explorer party's?
They could speed this up enormously, we have a giant map so there must still be a lot of unopened huts

Last edited by atawa on 01-06-2003 at 01:16

	01-06-2003 02:25									#2
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We have 4 huts we can easily pop within only a few turns. It is possible that will force the game to give us either Poly or Monarchy. Doubtless, our Horses will find more, and we might be able to overwhelm the system and get Monarchy in our efforts.

The risk is that accumulating other techs (than Poly or Mon) will push us even further toward long waits between researched techs. I think this is a very serious question for us at this stage of the game. Unfortunate results could put us in a hole very difficult to climb out of, yet we really *need* Monarchy before we can get about the business of conquering the other civs.

So, the question is "how risky do we want to play"? Go the hut route, or consolidate our tech rate and hope for trade. Or we could do both.

	01-06-2003 02:55									#3
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Pop all the huts ASAP. If we don't get Poly or Mon from them w/in a few turns, then set science as high as feasible, and build a zillion roads.

	01-06-2003 03:12									#4
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Let's just trust to luck and try to get the techs from the huts...

	01-06-2003 04:27									#5
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We already have Science at 60% (top allowed for Despotism). It would be horribly worse at any lower level.

I have most of our cities set to building Settlers (Mostly to give freedom of action/change). But we will have problems in our cities if we have many Settlers. The 1 food and 1 shield are killers for us right now.

	01-06-2003 05:36									#6
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Keep popping huts, pop them all

	02-06-2003 05:08									#7
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Explorers, as a military unit are at the request of the current military advisor.

What we really need are more roads, to make sure that every city has at least one trade per worker.

It also helps the military to have a connected empire.

	02-06-2003 08:22									#8
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pop the huts, 32 turns is too slow anyways, we need to get it by hut or trade with someone else.

	02-06-2003 09:01									#9
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pop the huts..pray for results...plan the war machine accordingly..odds are we will get mon eventually.......

	02-06-2003 10:26									#10
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Pop the huts until our cities reach a critical mass and can support a decent science rate

	02-06-2003 11:08									#11
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on reflection, our civilisation is faced with two major problems 1) lack of science and 2) revolting citizens.

I agree with putting the science rate to zero, but also maximising the lux rate to make the people content

	02-06-2003 16:10									#12
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whether it is science or luxeries doesn't have much effect until roads give the cities more arrows to make use of.

	02-06-2003 16:14									#13
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quote: Originally posted by cavebear ). But we will have problems in our cities if we have many Settlers. The 1 food and 1 shield are killers for us right now.

we can demand tribute from the AI which can be used to rushbuy things, also popping huts will give some gold.

This helps the shield problem but the food will be a problem until monarchy when irrigation becomes a viable option.

	02-06-2003 21:01									#14
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quote: I agree with putting the science rate to zero, but also maximising the lux rate to make the people content.

It may not make a big difference, but a difference nonetheless.

I would recommend doing this once we discover the next tech since we are quite close to Polytheism.

Running a monarchy on 60/0/40 might even net some celebrations.

	03-06-2003 03:57									#15
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Right now even 60% lux doesnt copuse any of our workers to become happy.

I would set it to zero just before we reach Mon, then we have 2 techs that will get us to Mon soon.
Be it either through a hut or from trade with a civ we didnt meet before.

	03-06-2003 04:00									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Hydey we can demand tribute from the AI which can be used to rushbuy things, also popping huts will give some gold.

When doing this we have the chance of getting other techs that will slow us down further.
But any tech we get from AI actualy increases the chance of getting weither Mon or Poly from a hut

	03-06-2003 11:00									#17
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sounds like we are damned if we do and damned if we don't.

	03-06-2003 18:28									#18
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I like this plan -- get Poly, set science low, pray, pop huts, evaluate.

	03-06-2003 19:06									#19
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the ai never researches mon anyways....so we want it from a hut, if we pop enough it will come to us lol

	03-06-2003 19:16									#20
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Why don't we research poly until it has allmost been discovered, then switch everything over to lux and taxes for some turns to get the populous working again. In the mean time pop every hut you can find and build roads all over the place. We have lots of time before we have to worry about discovering new tech.

	03-06-2003 21:43									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Zedd Why don't we research poly until it has allmost been discovered, then switch everything over to lux and taxes for some turns to get the populous working again. In the mean time pop every hut you can find and build roads all over the place. We have lots of time before we have to worry about discovering new tech.

Thats what I ment in above post, by not discovering Poly we almost double our chances of getting a good tech from a hut, be it either Mon or Poly

	04-06-2003 06:51									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Bob_Smurf42 Pop all the huts ASAP. If we don't get Poly or Mon from them w/in a few turns, then set science as high as feasible, and build a zillion roads.

Forgot about tax limits. Must've been playing too much Civ1.
Anyway, we should still pop huts as much as we can and build roads to help trade rate but it looks as if our science rate is screwed anyway, so forget it until we can do something about it. We probaly can get Poly or Mon from a hut sooner than we can research them.

	04-06-2003 18:04									#23
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Sorry atawa, Didn't intend to copycat you my connection was bad at at the time and i only got to read about 5 posts and no smileys or avatars came up so I just voted and hit the reply button to add my two cents.
But you know, i think its a great plan

	05-06-2003 00:07									#24
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Thanks, and no worries