02-06-2003 20:35									#1
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Interesting National Geographic article I came across -- here's the link.

National Geographic Article

What is anyone's take on this?

	02-06-2003 20:36									#2
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People are getting upset about this and I don't have the slightest idea why. Doesn't exactly replace us from the top of the food chain, you know.

	02-06-2003 20:40									#3
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT People are getting upset about this and I don't have the slightest idea why. Doesn't exactly replace us from the top of the food chain, you know.

Because some people are not comfortable with seeing ourselves as an animal species? Maybe that's why -- and you're right, such close-minded opinions seem ridiculuous.

	02-06-2003 20:42									#4
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Well, if it looks like an animal, moves like an animal, and eats like an animal, it is likely an animal. Talk about denying the senses of one's own eyes!

	02-06-2003 20:44									#5
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quote: Originally posted by JohnT Well, if it looks like an animal, moves like an animal, and eats like an animal, it is likely an animal. Talk about denying the senses of one's own eyes!

yep

	02-06-2003 20:49									#6
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yep x 2

	02-06-2003 20:54									#7
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sure, humans are animals. doesn't mean that all animals have rights, though. just humans.


we had a thread on this.

	02-06-2003 20:54									#8
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If they are reclassified as humans, will we still be able to experiment on them, keep them in cages, etc? How will the law relate to a different branch of humanity?

	02-06-2003 20:57									#9
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I had the same question. we reached a conclusion in the other thread. the conclusion was that they're not humans.

	02-06-2003 20:58									#10
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I don't know that one can make the blanket statement that man is an animal.

Look around ACS. Quite a few vegetables represented.

	02-06-2003 22:34									#11
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quote: Originally posted by SlowwHand I don't know that one can make the blanket statement that man is an animal. Look around ACS. Quite a few vegetables represented.

Are you saying that humans are not really animals because we are sentient beings?

	02-06-2003 22:35									#12
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If they are reclassified as humans, will we still be able to experiment on them, keep them in cages, etc? How will the law relate to a different branch of humanity?

I guess this is where some of the controversy comes from.

	02-06-2003 23:24									#13
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Are you saying that humans are not really animals because we are sentient beings?

I'm pretty sure he's just making a dig at some of us.

	02-06-2003 23:50									#14
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Vegetables, as in mental apparatus not functioning.
Not as in, rooted.

Jeez. You Iowan's.

	03-06-2003 00:00									#15
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This sounds like a scientist bidding for his next research grant by being controversial.

Classification is not a precise science and there is rather more to it than simply how close the DNA of two species are. The skeletons of chimps are closer to gorillas than to humans in many ways and for most species the bones are all there is, no DNA. If you start to insist on DNA above all else for classification then that is effectively saying that most extinct species where there are only fossils cannot be classified. Basically this proposal is extremist rubbish and a product of an inbred quarrel between two groups of scientists on what is the most important criterion for classification, characteristics or DNA.

	03-06-2003 00:04									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel I had the same question. we reached a conclusion in the other thread. the conclusion was that they're not humans.

of course theyre not, theyre chimps

I remember that thread too. Whatever happened to it?

	03-06-2003 00:05									#17
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it died. like many other threads.

	03-06-2003 00:10									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel it died. like many other threads.

well duh, I was asking what happened to it after I spammed the thread.

	03-06-2003 01:21									#19
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Eh, they're not the same species. Oh, and there were actually two other threads about this. One just died sooner. More discussion should probably occur there, but I'm far too lazy to go searching.

	03-06-2003 01:26									#20
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quote: I'm far too lazy to go searching.

A Chimp wouldn't give up so easily. See they are different

	03-06-2003 03:45									#21
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All humans are animals. AFAIK, this is a common known fact.

All animals are not humans. AFAIK, this, also, is a common known fact.

	03-06-2003 03:47									#22
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Chimpanzees are not humans. Chimpanzees do not have souls, and only humans are made in the image and likeness of God.

	03-06-2003 04:23									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Chimpanzees are not humans. Chimpanzees do not have souls, and only humans are made in the image and likeness of God.

One could also say that God was created in the image of man and not chimps

	03-06-2003 04:52									#24
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This is why many are questioning the validity of this system of biological classification. Drawing discrete barriers among a continuum of individuals is very difficult.

I remember my evolutionary ecology professor mention that humans should actually be classified under the the great apes family. It makes some sense, but I don't think there's enough proof either for or against that (maybe a lil more 'for').

	03-06-2003 04:59									#25
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if there´s such a thing like a soul I don´t see why chimpanzees shouldn´t have one, too.

	03-06-2003 05:02									#26
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You had to know this was coming

	03-06-2003 05:03									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Chimpanzees are not humans. Chimpanzees do not have souls, and only humans are made in the image and likeness of God.

More fun with google.

	03-06-2003 05:04									#28
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 You had to know this was coming

this thread should have been named Reclassification of Dubya

	03-06-2003 05:05									#29
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Shi, scientists really can't base their conclusions around the beliefs of one religion. I don't think this even needs to be said. Probably a troll anyway.

	03-06-2003 05:09									#30
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Chimps are humans? So when do we start exterminating them?