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MichaeltheGreat
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
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Originally posted by Ted Striker
Hey MTG are you just sore because Rumsfeld conducted 2 successful wars in a row? |
Really? I didn't know Rumsfeld conducted anything, successful or otherwise. AFAIK, he sits on his ass just south of the Potomac.
"Successful" wars against almost non-existant opposition. Oh, boy, I was real worried.
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Troop strength in Iraq was too low huh? Not enough heavy armor?
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Next time you're cheerleading USA! USA!, remember the 27 KIA's along one stretch of road on March 23, because the US didn't secure it's line of advance.
Oh, and while you're doing the victory dance, maybe want to talk to the families of last week's four KIA's?
But we won, though, so I guess everybody can pack up and go home, right? Oh, I guess not - we have to have tens of thousands of troops for security and occupation duties, spend tens of billions of dollars more on them, etc. But hey, it's no different than peacetime duty in Germany, right? 
Let's see how things look in six months or a year, ok? Right now, we've got two sinkholes for pouring in cash and stationing troops.
Oh, and while you're at it, give David McKiernan a ring and tell him he's wrong, the war's over. I'm sure he'll be glad to hear it. 
Oh wait, by the time the 4th ID got there the party was already over.   [/QUOTE]
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HershOstropoler
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Now I wait for MtG being accused of Antiamericanism. Or did we have that already?
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HershOstropoler
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Sombrero-wearing eurocom.
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chegitz guevara
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
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Fourth Generation Warfare in Iraq
Of Time and the Rivers
By WILLIAM S. LIND
A recent article in The American Conservative is titled, "God's Time: The Afghan war is over when the Afghans say so." The author, Jim Pittaway, makes the point that Fourth Generation, non-state Islamic forces have a wholly different view of time than does America. Of Afghan guerillas fighting the Soviets in the 1980s, he writes,
For more than a decade, they had been enduring the privations of life in the bush, organizing defenses, and preparing strategies that would ultimately lead them to success against the overwhelmingly superior forces of a global superpower... this idea of being on "God's time" led to an extraordinary degree of patience...
The same is true now that many of these same Fourth Generation fighters face American opponents:
As surely as the American soldiers and society will want to win and go home, these men do not need victory or closure in any comparable sense in order to justify their ongoing fight...Adversity, discouragement, and setbacks are never defeat; defeat is an epis - temological impossibility except in the event that one ceases to believe...It is not his job to drive the "coalition" out; his job is to make them pay. Allah will see that they are driven out when it is his will to do so.
War on "God's time" has already fought us to a stalemate in Afghanistan, with very little fighting. Our puppet government in Kabul has failed to extend its authority beyond that city. Indeed, last week's mob assault on the American embassy, sparked by the mistaken killing of four Afghan Army soldiers by Marine embassy guards, shows that its ability to control its capital is shaky at best. The promised American "rebuilding" of Afghanistan has become a stale joke, because without security, nothing can be rebuilt. And America hasn't a clue on how to provide security in Afghanistan.
Or Baghdad, for that matter. Now, having found that M-1 tanks make poor police patrol cars, we are proposing to put a lot more American troops on Baghdad streets, in Humvees and on foot. Welcome to my parlor, say the Baathist and Shiite spiders to the fly. One RPG round will incinerate any Humvee, and foot patrols will be even easier game. When that happens, we will be back in the tanks, and someone else will control the streets. We could have used Iraq's own army for that purpose, but instead we have sent it home, without pay, providing a vast reservoir of fighters for our enemies. America's "plan" for occupying Iraq seems to have been to identify every possible mistake, then make it.
The American authorities in Baghdad claim to be restoring order, getting the economy moving, fixing the infrastructure, etc., but the Iraqi people don't seem to see any of it. We begin to sound like Saddam's Minister of Information. In fact, if he's still around, perhaps we should hire him. Already, American casualties are rising. Instead of bringing the troops home, we are sending in more. Those are not the usual signs of a war won.
In the land between the Tigris and the Euphrates, time belongs to our opponents, not to us. We, not they, need closure. Our time is determined by American election cycles. They operate on "God's time." If they do not win today, or even fight today, there are many tomorrows -- for them, but not for us. If Iraq is still a mess and there is no end in sight a year from now, George Bush is in trouble.
The fly has occupied the flypaper. And time is always on the flypaper's side.
William S. Lind is Director of the Center for Cultural Conservatism at the Free Congress Foundation. |
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Shi Huangdi
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Pittsburgh, PA
Apr 1999
time: 00:28
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"They'd be a joke against US forces, especially if they were also outside the "official" Afghan government."
In conventional combat maybe, but they are experienced guerilla fighters. I am not saying our experience would be similar to the Soviets, but these people have experience with guerilla warfare.
"We wouldn't have to manage an Afghan occupation all on our own if we hadn't overrelied on mistrusted and feared ethnic minorities and if we had provided an adequate pace of training and level of support (including pay) for a national Afghan Army. "
Where's the transition point? We have to be in there first before recruiting an Afghan Army, and to get in it meant siding with the NA. Now the NA is there and they won't go away without bloodshed. And if you want to rely on American forces to get rid of the warlords, you can bet there's a good chance of dealing with an occupation type scenario.
I will agree with you though it was a mistake not to help out Karzai more.
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Who said it was about showing disapproval? |
Ok, we're getting there, looks like you are getting closer to realizing how this was a silly troll. READ THE THREAD TITLE. You titled it "More Islamic Endorsement of US policy". Then you claimed again they didn't like us: quote:
Oooopsies, guess they don't like us too much... |
Then you posted an article that was not all about Islamic opinion of US policy. Then you made a sarcastic comment, again somehow tying in the article to us: quote:
Winning their hearts and minds, we are. Yeah, baby, we showed 'em who's boss |
You didn't need to try spin this into a US policy sucsess. But you didn't need to seem to try indicate that there was some new reason to belive we were hated more either.
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HershOstropoler
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"But you didn't need to seem to try indicate that there was some new reason to belive we were hated more either."
Of course the US is hated more now. If it's not obvious enough, here are some nrs for Turkey:
http://people-press.org/reports/display.php3?PageID=681
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Nearly nine-in-ten respondents in Russia and Turkey oppose war in Iraq. And since November, Turks have grown more suspicious of U.S. motives for why the United States wants to use force against Iraq. Six-in-ten Turkish respondents now believe that U.S. military action against Iraq is part of a broader U.S. war against unfriendly Muslim nations, an increase from 53% who held that opinion in November. Fewer than a quarter of Turks (22%) accept the administration's stated rationale for war, that it will lead to greater stability in the Middle East.
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With the exception of the British, most respondents report that American foreign policy is having a negative effect on their country. This sentiment is strongest in Turkey, where roughly two-thirds (68%) feel this way.
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outside of Western Europe, people are more inclined to blame the negative impact of U.S. policies more generally on America. Almost half of Russians and Turks (48%), and four-in-ten Poles think America itself is to blame for the damage U.S. foreign policy causes in their country. |
And that's an ally of yours. Wonder about your foes?
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When you start nuking the middle east, can you please add a statement that we have nothing to do with you psychotic bastards?
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