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MichaeltheGreat
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:28
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Oooopsies, guess they don't like us too much....
Pakistan's Northwest Frontier Province adopts Sharia
Some highlights:
On Sunday, 24 NWFP mayors resigned in protest over what some described as the "Talibanization" of government by the ruling Islamic parties.
Last week, the NWFP parliament passed a law making it illegal to wear shirts or trousers in schools and colleges.
It also began a campaign to remove any billboards bearing pictures of females.
Earlier this month, authorities banned male coaches from training female athletes in the province and barred men from watching women's sports events.
In addition, they have called for compulsory reading of the Quran, Islam's holy book, in schools, and passed a resolution that only women doctors should carry out medical tests on female patients.
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Winning their hearts and minds, we are. Yeah, baby, we showed 'em who's boss! 
So, whadawegonnadoaboudit? Our "ally" that has nukes and looks the other way at Kashmiri terrorists operating from it's territory, is also unable or unwilling to control the backwards reactionaries in it's frontier.
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:28
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
What would you have done then, Mr. Foreign policy genious? Let OBL continue to sit pretty and safely? I don't remember you stating any objections to going through Pakistan back during the Afghanistan War. |
OOOOOOOHHHHH, hit a nerve did we, dearie? Gonna call Ashcroft and report me?  Damn, the nerve to actually point out a fact.
I guess there's really no middle ground any ground between getting OBL (Ooooopsies, forgot, we might not have done that, he might be hanging out as a guest of our "ally," or at least the part of his own country our "ally" doesn't control) while riling up the Pakistanis and letting him "sit pretty." Nope, one or the other, black and white, you's with us or you's agin us, that's the way the world works. Nope, this is nothing to be concerned about - the Great and Powerful Bush expected this. It's all part of the plan.
Actually, dearie, I pointed out repeatedly that the US was running a big risk of pissing off the natives if it didn't handle the situation carefully and make a point of demonstrating that the war was not against Islam, and that the US was going to actually do something useful in Afghanistan.
So what are you going to do, invade Pakistan, since Musharraf can't or won't control his territory. Still talk about "pro-US warlords" in Afghanistan, and "pro-US democracy" in Iraq, while supposed "allies" who have nukes have an ever expanding Islamist presence in their government? With popular support for an anti-US policy?
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"MtG is just grasping at straws to find any new material for another one of his anti-US foreign policy trolls."
Like there was a lack of material.
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MichaeltheGreat
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
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Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
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Hmmm, Shi Huangdi sounds out of sorts today. Somewhat grumpy and irrasible"
Not Really. It's just that MtG's repeated trolling gets a little tiring. Esepcially trolls as stupid this one.
What the hell does the OP have to do with Islamic anger at US policy? The Pakistani provinces in question are developing laws that they want to live by, those laws as disgusting as they are. Is MtG really so Americentric to think that they adopt Sharia just as a means of condemning US policy? Now, the election of the Islamics may be tied into anger with US policy, particularly our policy in Afghanistan may have led to fundamentalists getting elected, but that's old news. MtG is just grasping at straws to find any new material for another one of his anti-US foreign policy trolls. |
As opposed to being a "question nothing" goose-stepping bootlicker?
Yes, it's just coincidence, and the flowering of Democracy that we want to see in the Islamic world, that the first election since Musharraf decided he'd kiss our ass instead of Omar's resulted in a slap in Musharraf's face. If you'd bothered to pay attention to the campaign, there were little hints like burning American flags, burning Bushes in effigy, and an overtly pro-Taleban, pro-OBL, anti-US and anti-Musharraf message to the campaigning in the NWFP.
It's not "old news" that they are in effect declaring themselves a separate authority from the national government.
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Pittsburgh, PA
Apr 1999
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As opposed to being a "question nothing" goose-stepping bootlicker?"
Awwww..... How Sweet. Now who's emotional?
"If you'd bothered to pay attention to the campaign, there were little hints like burning American flags, burning Bushes in effigy, and an overtly pro-Taleban, pro-OBL, anti-US and anti-Musharraf message to the campaigning in the NWFP."
That happened at the very start of the Afghanistan campaign. The fact is it wasn't that we weren't nice enough to the locals or whatever your accusing about, but that they were opposed to the idea of going into Afghanistan at all. The Islamic world did not want to see the US going into an Islamic country and removing an Islamic government. For siding with US people became angry at Musharraf right from the start, and back then some of the "The Sky is Falling!" crowd predicted Musharraf would be overthrown at the time.
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It's not "old news" that they are in effect declaring themselves a separate authority from the national government."
They are enacting internal laws that affect their own people. These fundamentalists, wrong as they are, are simply legislating what they believe to be the correct law for their people. It is complete foolishness to think that this has anything to do with US policy. Hence the foolishness of your troll.
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
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quote:
Originally posted by Shi Huangdi
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As opposed to being a "question nothing" goose-stepping bootlicker?"
Awwww..... How Sweet. Now who's emotional?
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There's a difference between emotion and countertroll. 
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"If you'd bothered to pay attention to the campaign, there were little hints like burning American flags, burning Bushes in effigy, and an overtly pro-Taleban, pro-OBL, anti-US and anti-Musharraf message to the campaigning in the NWFP."
That happened at the very start of the Afghanistan campaign. The fact is it wasn't that we weren't nice enough to the locals or whatever your accusing about, but that they were opposed to the idea of going into Afghanistan at all. The Islamic world did not want to see the US going into an Islamic country and removing an Islamic government. For siding with US people became angry at Musharraf right from the start, and back then some of the "The Sky is Falling!" crowd predicted Musharraf would be overthrown at the time.
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The rabble in the street bit was fairly minor, and didn't lead to the conclusion that popular elections would resoundingly *****slap Musharraf. Some loss of support was expected, but US officials admitted surprise at the strength of the Islamist parties' showing in the elections. Most of the Islamic world was willing to let the Taleban hang - even the Iranians and Saudis had a sort of Fallwell-Phelps thing going with the Taleban.
The US did have a significant opportunity at the time of the Afghani Loya Jurga to provide greater support those Afghani Pashtun tribal leaders who have close ethnic ties with the NWFP Pakistanis, but failed to do that. Two of the stated goals of US policy have been reducing popular support for terrorism, and reducing the poverty and economic issues that majorly contribute to the pool of operators and sympathizers. The popularity of the anti-western, back to the 7th Century or bust movement in strategic allies isn't real helpful, and isn't real encouraging.
Musharraf's problem isn't with direct overthrow by the fundies (not yet, anyway). Musharraf's problem is that he pledged to return the country to democratic elections in a relatively short period of time, and the first provincial elections were decidedly discouraging. He has to risk the possibility of a popular Islamic state (or at least coalition), or maintaining/expanding his grip on power for a longer period of time. That gets dicey domestically, and it also undermines the US claims of seeking democracy in Iraq and elsewhere in the ME (all this reform talk), if we end up supporting another strongman, no matter how compelling the reasons for him keeping power.
The US has staked it's policy on being able to influence the ME in our favor. We know we can bomb the crap out of them, but we're sort of reluctant to kill them en masse, so they can continue to reproduce far faster than we've got the nuts to kill them. Since that approach is out the window, we have to get good at other forms of influence, and our record there isn't exactly great.
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It's not "old news" that they are in effect declaring themselves a separate authority from the national government."
They are enacting internal laws that affect their own people. These fundamentalists, wrong as they are, are simply legislating what they believe to be the correct law for their people. It is complete foolishness to think that this has anything to do with US policy. Hence the foolishness of your troll. |
If OBL and AAZ are in fact still alive, these people are their hosts. This having nothing to do with foreign policy must mean that the beheading of Daniel Pearl, the burning of US flags, repeated anti-US demonstrations are all just random events, and like the joke about hiring a retired US Army sergeant to translate your slogans, these guys had no idea what flag they were burning.
The extension of Sharia here goes into economics and every other aspect of life, as well as village law. BTW, if you want to economically stabilize Afghanistan, the only way (other than paying for their poppies  ) is with the pipeline projects to transfer landlocked oil and gas from the Uzbekh-Taijik areas through Afghanistan, to seaports in Pakistan. Guess what part of Pakistan those pipelines have to pass? Guess who you have to play ball with, and rely on for security of the pipeline assets and workers? Your friends and mine....
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