03-06-2003 19:41									#1
	Grognards: How good is Combat Mission Beyond Overlord? Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I came across a review for Combat Mission: Beyond Overlord. The review was saying this is one of the best wargames in the style of the old board games.

What do you think about it. Is it that good?

Thing is, if I want to get the game I'll have to mail order it so I want to be sure before I buy it.

	03-06-2003 19:58									#2
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I have both CM:BO and CM:Barbarossa to Berlin. They absolutely rock, and there are great skins and sound mods available as well.

The graphics, orders system, relative value of units (for balance during purchase), number of pre-built scenarios, game stability, etc. are the best by far for PC wargames.

Gameplay is a very cool hybrid between TBS and RTS. You have TBS orders phases (for each minute of combat) and RTS execution phases. This gives you a great ability to screw up and run into ambushes, or to be bold and seize key objectives.

If you're into the type of game and historical detail, I recommend them both highly.

The game supports PBEM very well, as well as hotseat MP and IP play.

In 2004 and 2006, the next installments in the series are due, covering the North African campaign and the early western front.

	03-06-2003 21:16									#3
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The short answer is absolutely yes, the CM series is simply the best wargaming you can get on the computer. It takes some getting used to because the fundamentals are a little different from other games out there, but once you become accustomed to it you'll find an absolutely riveting gaming experience.

And furthermore, it's an experience that you can only have on the computer. It's a step beyond cardboard wargames, and I strongly believe it's the next step in the evolution of wargames as a whole. Buy it. And while you're at it, buy CM: Barbarossa to Berlin.

Also, they've got a new game scheduled that takes the same basic engine and applies it to Mediterranean conflicts such as North Africa, Greece and Italy. Sounds like pretty much fun to me.

	03-06-2003 21:23									#4
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I can't find these games any where. MtG, where did you get them?

	03-06-2003 21:26									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Sava I can't find these games any where. MtG, where did you get them?

http://www.battlefront.com/index.htm

	03-06-2003 21:28									#6
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ty DD

	04-06-2003 10:44									#7
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Thanks for the info. I'll definitely get this game.

	04-06-2003 10:47									#8
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If you're ever up for a lesson by PBEM, let me know, I'd be happy to oblige.

	04-06-2003 11:51									#9
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Awesome simulation of ww2 combat

I will have you a game of cmbb MTG

	04-06-2003 12:20									#10
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I'll install it on my work comp tomorrow (well, later today)

What do you want to do, random map, seen scenario, or double blind scenario? For pickup games, I've mostly done meeting engagements on random maps, with manual force selection.

	04-06-2003 12:22									#11
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Thanks for the info. I'll definitely get this game.

CM:BB adds factors such as spreading fires, and wind strength and direction.

	04-06-2003 12:31									#12
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat CM:BB adds factors such as spreading fires, and wind strength and direction.

Reminds me of the old Avalon Hill Squad Leader, Cross of Iron. Start a fire and get the other guy running.

Thanks for the offer. I think I'll spend sometime learning the game before I allow myself to be humiliated.

	04-06-2003 13:18									#13
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How about a 1500-2000 point meeting engagement with manual force selection on a pre-made map. I can send you some maps and you can pick which one you like.

I'm not a big fan of the map generator of this game. Its alright but there alot of excellent pre-made maps at the Scenario Depot.

	04-06-2003 13:33									#14
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sounds awesome. im DLing the demo now

	04-06-2003 15:11									#15
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Big thumbs up from me too. The biggest problem with Beyond Overlord (which is older) and Barbarossa (which is newer) is that the graphics look pretty dull compared to many other games. But don't let that fool you; you can download some very nice graphics mods, and most important, gameplay is FUN! I mean, yes, it's the most realistic tactical wargame around, yes those Finns really speak native Finnish (well, with WW2 vocabulary and slang) and yes, you can play any weather condition, time of day or time of year, but it's the fun factor which is the best bit of combat mission. Not to mention that it runs TCP/IP smoothly over a 56K modem.

	04-06-2003 17:05									#16
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

If you are interested in PBEM there are a lot of players and a league at Counterglow.

See the Competitions Forum and Games Forum for more details. It's very much a friendly/learning league. Good for beginners.

	04-06-2003 19:13									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai Reminds me of the old Avalon Hill Squad Leader, Cross of Iron. Start a fire and get the other guy running.

Squad Leader with all those expasions. I got the game plus the first two expansions, and found nobody to play with. I eventually donated it to the game club when I graduated from university.

	04-06-2003 21:01									#18
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Squad Leader with all those expasions. I got the game plus the first two expansions, and found nobody to play with.

That is why I made a son : a permanently available partner

	04-06-2003 21:48									#19
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I tried to find it in Hong Kong, went to Mongkok and Causeway Bay. Then I find out that the company only sells it through the Internet outside of North America.

Kind of interesting that the developers decided to market it on their own.

I've ordered it.

	04-06-2003 21:50									#20
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MikeH: I never heard of the game until I read that review on Counterglow. Didn't know if I could trust it so that's why I started this thread.

The more I read about it, the more it sounds like a kick-ass game. Can't wait for it to arrive.

	04-06-2003 22:10									#21
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat CM:BB adds factors such as spreading fires, and wind strength and direction.

Don't forget the new MG modelling.

	05-06-2003 10:59									#22
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai I tried to find it in Hong Kong, went to Mongkok and Causeway Bay. Then I find out that the company only sells it through the Internet outside of North America.

Went to the wrong places.

There's a big computer game store in Wanchai Computer City, which has the most complete inventory in Hong Kong. If you can't find what you want there, try Golden Computer Centre (top floor).

In this case, it doesn't matter.

	05-06-2003 11:39									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Went to the wrong places. There's a big computer game store in Wanchai Computer City, which has the most complete inventory in Hong Kong. If you can't find what you want there, try Golden Computer Centre (top floor). In this case, it doesn't matter.

I also tried there. They had never heard of it. Which store are you talking about?

	05-06-2003 12:08									#24
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In Wanchai Computer City, there's a big computer games store on the second floor. Though I am not surprised that they haven't heard of it, they didn't know anything about Galatic Civilizations last time I checked.

And in your case, it doesn't matter, since the company would only sell it through mail order outside of North America.

	05-06-2003 12:20									#25
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Unless they've changed, they only sell it through mail order or online, period, not in stores. Their rationale was pretty good, considering the hosing most developers get from retailers and publishers.

	05-06-2003 12:25									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai MikeH: I never heard of the game until I read that review on Counterglow. Didn't know if I could trust it so that's why I started this thread.

Not trust it? Why not? It's not like CG is going after corporate sponsorship.

Venom's Medieval Total War review put all thoughts of that to rest.

	05-06-2003 12:28									#27
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Their rationale was pretty good, considering the hosing most developers get from retailers and publishers.

Not just developers, a lot of people got hosed by The Middle Man. Isn't this what the Internet is for anyway, getting rid of the middle man?

	05-06-2003 12:32									#28
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Not trust it? Why not? It's not like CG is going after corporate sponsorship. Venom's Medieval Total War review put all thoughts of that to rest.

I would expect most any review by Venom would put thoughts of corporate sponsorship to rest.

	05-06-2003 13:05									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Tingkai MikeH: I never heard of the game until I read that review on Counterglow. Didn't know if I could trust it so that's why I started this thread. The more I read about it, the more it sounds like a kick-ass game. Can't wait for it to arrive.

I quite like reading the reports of how peoples games are going even though I'm not playing the game myself. Which is a good sign.

	05-06-2003 13:09									#30
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quote: Originally posted by The Mad Monk Not trust it? Why not? It's not like CG is going after corporate sponsorship. Venom's Medieval Total War review put all thoughts of that to rest.

It's not anything like that. It's just that I know people here and can judge their opinion based on that. The people at CG could be great, but I don't know some of them.