03-06-2003 22:52									#1
	Earth map 120x120 Increase Your PM Length

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Civilization III and Play The World Maps.
Size 120x120
File size: 78 and 80Kb (Zip format).
Creation method: to pulse. +- 9h.
Number of recommended civilizations: 5-6
Version: 1.0
Date: 3 Jun 2003
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	03-06-2003 22:54									#2
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	03-06-2003 22:54									#3
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	08-06-2003 14:23									#4
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perfect size!!!

can i request a world map 160x80 or 140x70 (after all, the circumference of the earth is the double of pole to pole).
the minimap will look strange (it's already scaled down in the vertical axis), but the experience will be more reallife...

gracias!

	30-06-2003 10:13									#5
	Earths circumference... Inflate your Upload Space

Actually the circumference of the Earth around the equator is ~24,904 miles and the POLAR circumference is ~24,860 miles.

There is a bulging of the circumference at the equator which excludes the planet from being a perfect sphere but it is not so great as to be double that of the poles.

If you were to scale it thusly then the sizes would be 160x159 and 140x139 or so... rounding in favor of the bulge that is!

	01-07-2003 21:16									#6
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But that distorts the proportion on a world map towards the poles too much. After all a single dot (the pole) will extend all the way from the west to the east on the map...
I'm currently working on a huge 260x160 earth map, but it's still in its initial phase:

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	02-07-2003 02:47									#7
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One thing you could try, it would probably look 'wonkity' though... Take a true projection with minimum distortion of each continent INDIVIDUALLY and then scale that to the map. Place them in scale distances to each other and see what weirdness happens. That way each continent is sized and shaped properly by itself and then laid down on a flat surface as best possible. Unfortunately the continents are not flat and so we still have problems!!!

And of course you would (if trying the above for fun) need to make sure each is in the same scale or sizing issues will corrupt the result.

	02-07-2003 22:24									#8
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I need a larger Europe anyway. In my current try, Italy looks so messsed up, I can't stand it. Europe is simply too complex for Civ world maps, even for 260x160, when it is put in the same scale as the other continents.

	03-07-2003 06:31									#9
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An interesting thing to me is how such precise detail is applied to geographic feature in Europe but fudged or lost in Asia and N.America... well any other continent that is I suppose.
We can all say that some geographic location near or interesting to us is 'out of sorts' when another location on a map with a feature of similar size is very well done.
It is very tough to be universally fair and accurate when making a map to represent a dynamic living sphere with isometric squares in a two dimensional layout!

	03-07-2003 21:57									#10
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quote: Originally posted by TheRockit An interesting thing to me is how such precise detail is applied to geographic feature in Europe but fudged or lost in Asia and N.America... well any other continent that is I suppose. We can all say that some geographic location near or interesting to us is 'out of sorts' when another location on a map with a feature of similar size is very well done. It is very tough to be universally fair and accurate when making a map to represent a dynamic living sphere with isometric squares in a two dimensional layout!

Well, I try to be most accurate with the other continents too, and actually it proved quite difficult to do so as well for the Caribbean, mainly all landmasses with many islands and peninsulas. Yet with Europe there's that other problem that lots of civs are starting there, so it's the very heartland of several civs. While my Baja California might be even less accurate than Italy, it's a fringe compared to Italy. I'll try no size up Europe just a tad, so it doesn't look distorted compared to the others but that I gain a few tiles. Maybe I can do that by also stretching West Africa a few tiles.

	04-07-2003 06:23									#11
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Isn't it a shame that there is so much desert and tundra and other 'barren' terrain endlessly stretching on in this world when perfectly fine places such as Italy, Ireland, Malaysia and the North American eastern seabord have to settle with a half dozen meager squares each or so? Hahah! Well there is always another option...

You can make a map which is in scale but oriented with the best layout of geography for each continent. Get the 'flatest' and most accurate map of each area, scale them appropriately and then make each continent as if it were a separate map but all on one larger board.

I think the key is that the really BIG maps do very well at portraying the Earth when proper details are considered but they are really big maps.

	13-07-2003 17:42									#12
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quote: Originally posted by TheRockit Actually the circumference of the Earth around the equator is ~24,904 miles and the POLAR circumference is ~24,860 miles. There is a bulging of the circumference at the equator which excludes the planet from being a perfect sphere but it is not so great as to be double that of the poles. If you were to scale it thusly then the sizes would be 160x159 and 140x139 or so... rounding in favor of the bulge that is!

sorry i didn't reply earlier. forgot to subscribe to this thread.

you're right about the circumferences. but a map is a cut open and streched sphere.
the polar circumference is completely unimportant because you divide it into front and backside.
(god, difficult to explain what i mean)
you need ~12400miles (~20'000km) to get from the north to the south pole (from top to bottom of the map)
but you need the whole circumference (~24900miles, ~40'000km) to get from the left to the right end of the map.

do you understand what i mean?

the civ3-maps only look realistic, because the minimap viewer squashes the vertical axis. so it looks like a 2:1 format, but still is a 1:1 format in the game.

	13-07-2003 19:58									#13
	Re: Earths circumference... Put an end to popups!

quote: Originally posted by TheRockit Actually the circumference of the Earth around the equator is ~24,904 miles and the POLAR circumference is ~24,860 miles. There is a bulging of the circumference at the equator which excludes the planet from being a perfect sphere but it is not so great as to be double that of the poles. If you were to scale it thusly then the sizes would be 160x159 and 140x139 or so... rounding in favor of the bulge that is!

However, when you view a map of the earth, the distance from the northern edge of the map to the southern edge will be almost precisely half the distance from the eastern to the western.

EDIT: sabrewolf already said it too

	19-07-2003 09:15									#14
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It would be nice if Civ 4 finaly gets around to having a true sphere as a map option.

	19-07-2003 14:45									#15
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MM, many people wouldn't understand that.
and it's going to be difficult to make the graphics correctly, except if they really do use a rotating globe :-o ... but i doubt that