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wervdon
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Out of curosity, why would them telling us that GCA is on _their_ iron cause tension between us and GCA? I mean I can see where it might make us wonder if CDG/GCA are working on concert, but I think you're giving CFC too much credit there. I mean if I was on their team and wasn't privy to all the inside knowledge of whats happened to our team since day 1, I wouldn't expect poly to give a flip about CFC's iron or relations to GCA. If anything, i'd expect them to say good then they aren't gonna be bothering us for a while. Which is kind of what I think anyways actually :P
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wervdon
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Another scenario which just ocurred to me which seems possible but not highly likely is that war is imminment between cfc/gca and cfc (knowing we can't verify their claims) is trying to convince us that GCA is really the aggressor when they declare war. I doubt thats the case though, its more likely they are actually just telling the truth IMO.
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wervdon
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Personally, I don't think we should ally with CFC even if they are attacked by both CDG & GCA. Intead, I think we should count our blessings that a) its them and not us, b) they are getting weakened and thus aren't serious competition, and c) capitalize on it by moving on CDG as soon as the bulk of their offensive forces cross into CFC land.
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MrWhereItsAt
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New Year's Resolution: 2005 is the year of Where It's At - come get some.
Nov 2001
time: 17:28
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wervdon - if CDG/GCA do attack CFC then that is what we would do anyway. If we managed to garner some goodwill for the future by allying with CFC, then we may as well. In order to do so and still have CDG make themselves vulnerable (if they were that stupid), we would have to get CFC to agree that we wouldn't come into the war until CDG has moved their troops so we could strike their heart.
CFC could see this two ways:
1. They want us to ally and publically state it before any troop movements to try and prevent a war in that CDG and GCA would have two opponents to face, not one, and in the hope they reconsidered in light of this new fact.
2. They won't mind us keeping our hand hidden until CDG does something stupid as we are more likely to land a crippling blow and take CDG (and probably) GCA out of the war. Any losses CFC would have had early on could be reversed and then we could help them add to what they had to being with, making the deal better than it might first seem.
OTOH, with Riders, there could be something said for ending CFC early (pre-Chivalry!). Moreover, with CDG having their UU already, we have nothing to lose by letting them hang around a bit in the GA stakes. Also, although a peaceful type neighbour (CFC) seems better to have around for longer, they are good strategists and are likely to be a bigger overall threat through the whole game. CDG has shown themselves to be less than perfectly rational, and although that can be a danger at times, it is far less potentially nasty than a highly intelligent opponent like CFC.
This would be a tricky decision. I only hope something happens soon to give us more of a clue whether we will need to make this decision or not...
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wervdon
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quote:
wervdon - if CDG/GCA do attack CFC then that is what we would do anyway. If we managed to garner some goodwill for the future by allying with CFC, then we may as well. In order to do so and still have CDG make themselves vulnerable (if they were that stupid), we would have to get CFC to agree that we wouldn't come into the war until CDG has moved their troops so we could strike their heart.
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We are going to attack CDG either way, but as far as I knew we weren't really planning anything against GCA, and since it looks like GCA is the threat to CFC..... I mean do we really want to get into it with GCA (who we have at least decent relations with) on CFC's behalf? If both attack, then maybe cfc would take an alliance against only CDG, but if CDG/GCA are allied against CFC it might end up being the same thing. Ideally, I think we'd want to let CFC take the brunt of CDG's offensive abilities, then attack CDG while GCA/CFC duke it out for the west/south of the continent. A war with GCA pre-CDG extinction couldn't help us really.....
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rush
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Tokyo
Jul 2002
time: 12:28
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IMHO, if GCA is to wage war against CFC, it will join forces with CDG. Reason :
1. GCA, despite of its size, it may not have the military might to conquer CFC alone
2. It is dangerous for GCA to go on an all-out War alone when CDG immortals are sitting at its backyard
3. Both CDG and GCA stand to gain by joining forces. They have better chances of beating CFC, they do not have to cross each other's border, and they can share the conquered land equitably.
What does this mean to us ?
1. We should establish warm relationship with CFC, and we tell them clearly that we cannot whack GCA because we share no common border. (this is already done). However, we should let them know that : When GCA join forces with CDG, and CDG strikes CFC, we will hit CDG hard. (debatable, shall we put it in writing ?)
2. We should station a Warrior between CDG cities Shaharazade and Elucidium to observe any significant troop movement. If the troops are going towards Shaharazade, we should report to CFC and at the same time start consolidating our troops close to Elucidium but out of their sight.
3. At the same time, we should stay vigilent. You never know, GCA and CDG may join forces against us instead of CFC. They control the 2 choke points, so nobody can come to our rescue should they fight us insead !
So, are we ready to stand a joint CDG and GCA strike ? I hope the MOW has considered this thoroughly. 
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