05-06-2003 03:32									#1
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I watched AFI's greatest heroes and villains last night on CBS. Ther name is pretty self-explainatory of the premice of the show.

Im content with their opinions in general, tho i would have swithced the order up a lot, personally (the wicked witch of the west is ranked way too high IMO). And im sure they left out some must haves, but I havent thought about it much.

Here's the list:

quote: Heroes Rank Character Film 1 Atticus Finch To Kill A Mockingbird 2 Indiana Jones Raiders Of The Lost Ark 3 James Bond Dr. No 4 Rick Blaine Casablanca 5 Will Kane High Noon 6 Clarice Starling Silence Of The Lambs 7 Rocky Balboa Rocky 8 Ellen Ripley Aliens 9 George Bailey It's A Wonderful Life 10 T. E. Lawrence Lawrence Of Arabia 11 Jefferson Smith Mr. Smith Goes To Washington 12 Tom Joad The Grapes Of Wrath 13 Oskar Schindler Schindler's List 14 Han Solo Star Wars 15 Norma Rae Webster Norma Rae 16 Shane Shane 17 Harry Callahan Dirty Harry 18 Robin Hood Adventures Of Robin Hood 19 Virgil Tibbs The Heat Of The Night 20 Butch Cassidy And The Sundance Kid Butch Cassidy & The Sundance Kid 21 Mahatma Gandhi Gandhi 22 Spartacus Spartacus 23 Terry Malloy On The Waterfront 24 Thelma Dickerson & Louise Sawyer Thelma & Louise 25 Lou Gehrig The Pride Of The Yankees 26 Superman Superman 27 Bob Woodward & Carl Bernstein All The President's Men 28 Juror #8 12 Angry Men 29 General George Patton Patton 30 Luke Jackson Cool Hand Luke 31 Erin Brockovich Erin Brockovich 32 Philip Marlowe The Big Sleep 33 Marge Gunderson Fargo 34 Tarzan Tarzan The Ape Man 35 Alvin York Sergeant York 36 Rooster Cogburn True Grit 37 Obi-Wan Kenobi Star Wars 38 The Tramp City Lights 39 Lassie Lassie Come Home 40 Frank Serpico Serpico 41 Arthur Chipping Goodbye, Mr. Chips 42 Father Edward Flanagan Boys Town 43 Moses The Ten Commandments 44 Jimmy "Popeye" Doyle The French Connection 45 Zorro The Mark Of Zorro 46 Batman Batman 47 Karen Silkwood Silkwood 48 Terminator Terminator 2: Judgment Day 49 Andrew Beckett Philadelphia 50 General Maximus Decimus Meridus Gladiator Villains Rank Character Film 1 Dr. Hannibal Lecter The Silence Of The Lambs 2 Norman Bates Psycho 3 Darth Vader The Empire Strikes Back 4 The Wicked Witch Of The West The Wizard Of Oz 5 Nurse Ratched One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest 6 Mr. Potter It's A Wonderful Life 7 Alex Forrest Fatal Attraction 8 Phyllis Dietrichson Double Indemnity 9 Regan Macneil The Exorcist 10 The Queen Snow White And The Seven Dwarfs 11 Michael Corleone The Godfather Part II 12 Alex De Large Clockwork Orange 13 Hal 9000 2001: A Space Odyssey 14 The Alien Alien 15 Amon Goeth Schindler's List 16 Noah Cross Chinatown 17 Annie Wilkes Misery 18 The Shark Jaws 19 Captain Bligh Mutiny On The Bounty 20 Man Bambi 21 Mrs. John Isel The Manchurian Candidate 22 Terminator The Terminator 23 Eve Harrington All About Eve 24 Gordon Gekko Wall Street 25 Jack Torrance The Shining 26 Cody Jarrett White Heat 27 Martians The War Of The Worlds 28 Max Cady Cape Fear 29 Reverend Harry Powell The Night Of The Hunter 30 Travis Bickle Taxi Driver 31 Mrs. Danvers Rebecca 32 Clyde Barrow & Bonnie Parker Bonnie And Clyde 33 Count Dracula Dracula 34 Dr. Szell Marathon Man 35 J.J. Hunsecker Sweet Smell Of Success 36 Frank Booth Blue Velvet 37 Harry Lime The Third Man 38 Caesar Enrico Bandello Little Caesar 39 Cruella De Vil One Hundred And One Dalmations 40 Freddy Krueger A Nightmare On Elm Street 41 Joan Crawford Mommie Dearest 42 Tom Powers The Public Enemy 43 Regina Giddens The Little Foxes 44 Baby Jane Hudson Whatever Happened To Baby Jane 45 The Joker Batman 46 Hans Gruber Die Hard 47 Tony Camonte Scarface 48 Verbal Kint The Usual Suspects 49 Auric Goldfinger Goldfinger 50 Alonzo Harris Training Day

Did they miss anyone (shredder from ninja turtles, perhaps?), or put someone who doesnt belong (46 Hans Gruber from Die Hard?), or misorder charcters(the joker as number 45 on the villain list?)?

	05-06-2003 03:34									#2
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i think they put WAY too many villains on the list form the archetype of psycho woman who are wives or moms. They have like 5 or 6 of these

	05-06-2003 03:35									#3
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Megatron!

	05-06-2003 03:36									#4
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Perhaps they alloted the number of characters per archetype to be proportional to the number of those villains in real life (hence the excessive number of psycho women)?

	05-06-2003 03:37									#5
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A pretty disappointing list, all in all.

	05-06-2003 03:40									#6
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Tcha. Where's Agent Smith?

	05-06-2003 03:43									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Sandman Tcha. Where's Agent Smith?

We have to wait for the end of the third movie before we can judge his worth.

	05-06-2003 03:44									#8
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Where's Admiral Ozzel?

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	05-06-2003 03:46									#9
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I'd have put HAL 9000 at #1 and Darth Vader at #2 on the villians list.

	05-06-2003 03:48									#10
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In heros, we have Obi-Won... but what about Luke Skywalker in ROTJ?!

	05-06-2003 03:50									#11
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quote: We have to wait for the end of the third movie before we can judge his worth.

S'pose. He might turn good or something.

	05-06-2003 03:53									#12
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Polls like this work well in informal settings like Apolyton, but have absolutely no point in the wider world.

How dumb are these guys anyway? The T1000 in Terminator 2 was far better than the Arn in T-1. And Bob Woodward and Carl Bernstein would doubtless find it amusing that they were regarded more as movie heroes.

It's also notable that the opinion that Gordon Gekko is a villain is not shared by everyone.

	05-06-2003 04:22									#13
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Where are Blofeld, Agent Smith, Emperor Palpatine, the Joker, Saruman, and T-1000?

	05-06-2003 04:58									#14
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Gecko is most certainly a villain! In any case, I was a bit dissapointed by the list as well. I mean, cruella de ville??? Come on! If she doesn't scare you, then you're completely normal!

	05-06-2003 13:30									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Lord Merciless Where are Blofeld, Agent Smith, Emperor Palpatine, the Joker, Saruman, and T-1000?

Joker is on the list, but at a mere 45 for some reason

Saruman, or Sauron for that matter, whould have been good choices

	05-06-2003 13:37									#16
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OH NO! THE LISTMAKERS DIDN'T CONSTRUCT THE LIST AS ACCORDING TO MY PERSONAL OPINION WHICH THEY HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING!

THIS DOOMS THE LIST TO BE CRAP! I MUST NOW GO COMPLAIN ABOUT IT IN MANY INTERNET BOARDS!

	05-06-2003 15:06									#17
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The alien in Alien? Nope, sorry, that wasn't even the actual villain in that film -- Ash was.

	05-06-2003 15:08									#18
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...and, whatever else, Hans Gruber and The Joker should be higher than the Wicked Witch.

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the dude's missing

	05-06-2003 16:56									#20
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Stefu -- >

	05-06-2003 16:58									#21
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indeed, but still, the dude should be on there

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What about Ian McKellan's Richard the Third? He beats the sh!t out of at least 90% of the list. AFI is crap.

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Great avatar tuome
the hero from my favourite film...

	05-06-2003 19:23									#24
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Where's Captain Picard and Q?

	05-06-2003 19:30									#25
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Mickey Mouse

	05-06-2003 19:38									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Stefu OH NO! THE LISTMAKERS DIDN'T CONSTRUCT THE LIST AS ACCORDING TO MY PERSONAL OPINION WHICH THEY HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING!

You would have been quite correct if the list is properly titled "The greatest fictitious heroes and villains in Hollywood movies according to AFI."

What the hell is AFI? And how do you have "greatest villains?"

	05-06-2003 19:40									#27
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BTW Mickey Mouse is a villain not a hero.

It wasn't just a random post

	05-06-2003 19:45									#28
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Where are Popeye and Bluto?

	05-06-2003 19:51									#29
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The Tick

	05-06-2003 19:56									#30
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Atticus Finch, and Butch and Sundance

I disagree about the Wicked Witch.
She's one scary b1tch.