05-06-2003 07:19									#1
	Turn 64 Enter the AD-FREE zone

To be edited by the Consuls and Ministers.

Status:
- Researching map making at 100% (3 to go)
- Luxury Slider at 0%
- 80 gold cash, -3 gpt. Time to turn it down to break even

Urgent questions & tasks:
FAM: Negotiations with CDG: NAP & border combo. In process.
MoN: A couple of units need naming.

Unit movement & actions:
N01 'MerZenary' fortified in Mingapulco
N02 'Mao' to attack Harappan camp 2 (S)
N03 'DarkCloud' fortified on game
N04 'B' to move 8 (N)
W02 'BigFree' to move 8 (N)
W03 'Alva' to move 4 (W)
W04 'Theseus' to skip turn
W05 'BFW' to move 8 (N)
W06 'Hagbart' fortified in Tripoli
W07 'WhiteBandit' 3 (SE) or 4 (E)
W08 'not_panag' fortified in Apolyton
W09 'PanzerWarrior' braces for impact
W10 'X' fortified 1 of Apolyton

Economy:
Apolyton building settler
Mingapulco building warrior
Banatopia building warrior (3)
Incensity building merc. To be switched to galley
Tripoli building merc

WF:
Apolyton: Change to 4-5-13-17 **
Mingapulco: 2-3-10 at start
Bananatopia: Change to 2-8 **
Incensity: 5-14 at start
Tripoli: 2 at start

Workers
Worker1 'Dan' clearing jungle (9)
Worker2 'Monkee' building mine (1)
Worker3 'panag' building road (1)
Worker4 'EVC' building mine (3)

Diplomacy:
CDG: NAP expired. Talking about renewal - draft in works. Tech Trade in effect -- Mapmaking for Philosophy + Math. Voided if they do not get tech by 83.
GCA: NAP in effect Turn 59. Tech trade in effect Map Making and Horseback Riding for Polytheism and Mysticism
CFC: NAP in effect (to Turn 83).

Comment, please, many "plans" (especially those marked with '??') are just suggestions or ideas, not decisions already made.

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Discussion and basic reporting to follow. See the topped thread for comprehensive results.

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	05-06-2003 17:51									#2
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I suppose we send BFW to both sides of that peninsula, to scout for possible islands off the coast..?

	06-06-2003 07:38									#3
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Do we really need to research at 100% to get Map Making in 3 turns (Turn 67), considering that the Galley is ready only on Turn 72 ?

Having the ability to exchange map with CFC is great, but do we really need the maps in 3 turns ? I have a feeling that CFC needs the map more urgent compared to us.

	06-06-2003 08:04									#4
	Got spare money?

Yes, BigFurryMonster, we will spend some time filling out some not completely known areas of the map, now that we have units and time for it.

Rush, I intend that we back off to break even this turn. That will leave us with 80 gold in the bank, plus camps. If we are lucky, we will have 125 by the end of the turn and can go 1 more turn at 100%. btw, whatever extra we put in now is gained back at the 1 turn to discovery point, as we back off to the minimum required to maintain getting the tech in 1 turn.

	06-06-2003 09:20									#5
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If we know the exact beaker amounts needed we may be able to get it exactly by using the slider in cobination with working more commerce or less on given turns. This would allow for 0 waste of commerce/gold/research.

	06-06-2003 12:42									#6
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quote: Originally posted by BigFree If we know the exact beaker amounts needed we may be able to get it exactly by using the slider in cobination with working more commerce or less on given turns. This would allow for 0 waste of commerce/gold/research.

I hope the accumulated beaker count in the summary is correct. Should not be off by more than a beaker or two, most probably not even that much.

	07-06-2003 03:17									#7
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

As we have no Settlers or workers coming from any of our cities before MM is done, we need to check to see if we can lower the Research % and maybe get a little more money.

MoI E_T

	07-06-2003 06:45									#8
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quote: Originally posted by E_T As we have no Settlers or workers coming from any of our cities before MM is done, we need to check to see if we can lower the Research % and maybe get a little more money. MoI E_T

hi ,

we should always at the end of a turn play with the slider , .....

and we should always make a bit of money , now we are loosing , .....

have a nice day

	10-06-2003 10:14									#9
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Actions:
N01 'MerZenary' fortified in Mingapulco
N02 'Mao' attacks Harappan camp 2 (S). No damage. +25 gold
N03 'DarkCloud' fortified on game
N04 'B' moves 8 (N)
W02 'BigFree' to move 8 (N)
W03 'Alva' moves 4 (W)
W07 'WhiteBandit' moves 3 (SE). Spots vet immortal with settler at 3
W04 'Theseus' skips turn
W05 'BFW' moves 8 (N). Spots whale and fish. Coast to 4 4
W06 'Hagbart' fortified in Tripoli
W08 'not_panag' fortified in Apolyton
W09 'PanzerWarrior' has taken 1 pip damage. Etruscan warrior gone. Fortifies to heal.
W10 'X' fortified 1 of Apolyton

Economy:
Apolyton building settler
Mingapulco building warrior
Banatopia building warrior
Incensity building merc. To be switched to galley
Tripoli building merc

WF:
Apolyton: Changed to 4-5-13-17
Mingapulco: 2-3-10, no change
Bananatopia: Changed to 2-9 [9 gets 1 commerce and the new pop will work the newly mined bonus grass at 8 for 2 shields]
Incensity: 5-14 at start
Tripoli: 2 at start

Sliders:
Science set to 80%. MM still in 3. +1 gpt

Workers
Worker1 'Dan' clearing jungle (9)
Worker2 'Monkee' building mine. Done
Worker3 'panag' building road. Done
Worker4 'EVC' building mine (3)

	10-06-2003 10:52									#11
	Got spare money?

Coast to 4 4 of BFW? That means we can likely get a Galley past the chokepoint without CDG noticing. Not sure if this helps us at any point but I just thought it worth noting...

And we pretty much know for sure where that CDG city is going to be founded. Odd, on the gold seems a better bet to me - across the river from us and on a hill, plus keeping the cities packed in a bit. Perhaps they want to rush a Temple and take the Dye. If they put it there (or further East/Noth), then that'sgetting a little too close for comfort, and means we need to redo the warrior curtain.

	10-06-2003 14:45									#12
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Man, it is looking better by the turn for us here! CDG is helping us out all they can.

Unless we want to make them feel secure, perhaps we should just let the border agreement/NAP slide by until they bring it up. As it stands now, we are still waiting on them to get back to us on those issues.

Also of note, that was more than 5 days for the turn to get back to us.

	10-06-2003 17:49									#13
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I know but Firaxis has been responsible for a couple of days delay each time the last 2 weeks - I guess we can expect that right now though.

Not as bad as CDG from May, at least according to the time counter forum....

	10-06-2003 18:01									#14
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Yeah, the buggers are processing everyone's NDAs. I wish they'd hurry up and finish processing mine so I could start doing some beta testing.

::cough::

Ooops. Did I just say that?

	10-06-2003 21:39									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon Yeah, the buggers are processing everyone's NDAs. I wish they'd hurry up and finish processing mine so I could start doing some beta testing. ::cough:: Ooops. Did I just say that?

Firaxis isn't doing anything. It's the BreakAway QA department which is doing the dirty work. I know these things.

As for the game...

They're making a perfect target city for AGA. And I knew they had a vet Immortal.

	10-06-2003 21:45									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Fried-Psitalon Yeah, the buggers are processing everyone's NDAs. I wish they'd hurry up and finish processing mine so I could start doing some beta testing. ::cough:: Ooops. Did I just say that?

GRRRRR.

You'd better do it well. You'll have to to replace the feedback they're missing out on from me.

And Trip - they probably have a couple by now...

	10-06-2003 22:13									#17
	Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt And Trip - they probably have a couple by now...

Well, they are building something.

	11-06-2003 00:22									#18
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I'm going to "Pull a Panag here" --- Can we get back on Topic????

I'm concerned about the CDG warrior to the SW of Mingapulco moving NW and getting trapped behind our border after Horsecity is built.

Instead of wasting time sending them an email they'll ignore or take as a threat or use as blackmail to try to get us to move our warrior screen, can we move a mil unit in the way of their warrior to avoid the whole problem entirely?

--Togas

	11-06-2003 00:42									#19
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We can do that with the Warrior X. We can beat CDG's Warrior to the Horse tile easily and block any Northward movement. Is that cool with you Trip?

	11-06-2003 18:19									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Togas I'm going to "Pull a Panag here" --- Can we get back on Topic???? I'm concerned about the CDG warrior to the SW of Mingapulco moving NW and getting trapped behind our border after Horsecity is built. Instead of wasting time sending them an email they'll ignore or take as a threat or use as blackmail to try to get us to move our warrior screen, can we move a mil unit in the way of their warrior to avoid the whole problem entirely? --Togas

hi ,



well why dont we do both, and let them understand that the mil unit thats going to block has orders to attack if they dont withdraw , .....

have a nice day