06-06-2003 01:02									#1
	ND-GoW Chat #2 Log Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

2nd chat....

quote: Session Start: Thu Jun 05 11:25:59 2003 Session Ident: #GoW [11:25] * Now talking in #GoW [11:25] * services.apolyton.net changes topic to 'The Glory Of Chat' [11:25] * ChanServ sets mode: +ntr * Retrieving #GoW info... [11:27] * MasterZen sets mode: +k Dtrategy [12:49] * Zayxus has joined #GoW [12:49] * Borc has joined #GoW [12:49] [Borc] finally :-) [12:49] * heli0s has joined #GoW [12:49] * Essigeimer has joined #gow [12:50] * [ND]Darekill has joined #GoW [12:50] [Zayxus] here we arrived... [12:50] [Essigeimer] hi and good evening from Mavdad/ND [12:50] * Borc is now known as [ND]Borc [12:51] [[ND]Borc] and poor master zen is alone again? [12:51] [MasterZen] jajajaja [12:51] [[ND]Darekill] Hi everybody [12:51] * Zayxus is now known as [ND]Zayxus [12:51] [[ND]Darekill] MZ i hope you are not afraid... [12:51] [Essigeimer] perhaps his slaves are still preparing the food [12:51] [MasterZen] me afraid??? [12:51] [MasterZen] NEVER! :P [12:51] * Essigeimer is now known as [ND]Essigeimer [12:51] [MasterZen] If I were French I might be though... [12:52] [[ND]Darekill] the only gow under five ND members [12:52] [MasterZen] we are a small team, but we pack a big punch! [12:52] [[ND]Essigeimer] lets take the king as a hostage [12:52] [MasterZen] hehehe [12:52] [MasterZen] brb [12:52] [[ND]Darekill] We do not take hostages. [12:53] [[ND]Darekill] GoW are trusted friends and alleys [12:53] [[ND]Essigeimer] yes, we are lovely and friendly to the great and famous GoW [12:53] [[ND]Borc] brb [12:54] [[ND]Darekill] brb=be right back [12:54] [MasterZen] back [12:54] [MasterZen] have you seen GS's announcement? [12:54] [[ND]Darekill] Yes *g* [12:54] [[ND]Borc] no! [12:55] [[ND]Borc] what happened? [12:55] [MasterZen] they landed two stacks of troops cutting off Vox's iron [12:55] [[ND]Darekill] They are pissed off. They cut the voxian iron supply and vox gets iron from someone [12:56] [MasterZen] basically they have "threatened" anyone who might give Iron to Vox [12:56] [[ND]Darekill] who do you think it is? [12:56] [[ND]Borc] they still get iron? waoo! [12:56] [heli0s] hi [12:56] [MasterZen] hello [12:56] [[ND]Darekill] We have two iron one for you one for us. [12:56] [MasterZen] RP has an extra iron [12:56] [MasterZen] they will most likely supply it to Vox [12:57] [[ND]Darekill] Spain has as far as we know only one iron connected [12:57] [[ND]Darekill] that would mean it is legoland... [12:57] [MasterZen] I don't think Legoland has a route to Vox or do they? [12:58] [MasterZen] Well, I am worried about one thing: [12:58] [[ND]Darekill] wouldn't we be able to see a iron colony if Spain would found one? [12:58] [MasterZen] if we are at war with RP, GS can land a stack very easily at Bob since they have the Lighthouse [12:59] [MasterZen] and it would be a huge distraction to our war plans [12:59] [[ND]Darekill] We actually have relatively good connections to GS [12:59] [MasterZen] good [12:59] [MasterZen] I have an evil idea though... [13:00] [MasterZen] if we push RP into giving Vox the iron, that will get GS pissed off [13:00] [MasterZen] RP is also planning to send units over there [13:00] [[ND]Darekill] if we could make them belive that spain supplys the iron to vox... [13:00] [MasterZen] if GS gets pissed off with Vox, while we act nice to them, they will feel very much less inclined to intervene in our war [13:01] [MasterZen] * sorry, if GS gets pissed off with RP [13:02] [MasterZen] what do you think of this? [13:02] [[ND]Darekill] We can play good guy bad guy here. [13:02] [[ND]Darekill] We have good connections to GS but almost none to Vox. [13:03] * heli0s is now known as helios|away [13:03] [[ND]Darekill] it seems it is the other way around with you? [13:03] [MasterZen] well, more or less, we aren't in bad terms with GS [13:03] [MasterZen] our relationship has gotten better since the "horseman incident" [13:04] [[ND]Darekill] we already warned GS of a comming invasion from RP. [13:04] [[ND]Borc] i would like to invite GS to a chat with ND next week... so it is good that we talk abouut this! [13:04] [MasterZen] that would be nice [13:05] [[ND]Darekill] btw we have a swordsman in the back of Spain. and a scout on legolan.. [13:05] [[ND]Darekill] legoland [13:05] [MasterZen] really? [13:05] [[ND]Darekill] yes [13:05] [MasterZen] all I wan tis to get GS neutral during our war [13:06] [[ND]Borc] master zen: if we chat with GS - what do they think about the GS-GoW war at the moment? [13:06] * feanor0815 has joined #GoW [13:06] [MasterZen] there is no war [13:06] [feanor0815] hello all [13:06] [MasterZen] we have resumed relations after the horseman incident [13:06] [MasterZen] hello feanor! [13:06] [[ND]Borc] of cause we will talk not about our alliance to GS [13:07] [MasterZen] you are allied to GS? [13:07] * feanor0815 is now known as [ND]feanor0815 [13:07] [[ND]Borc] no we are allied with GoW but we will not talk about this to GS [13:07] [MasterZen] ohh.. OUR alliance, ok [13:07] [[ND]Borc] [13:07] [MasterZen] no, that is our big bad secret [13:07] [[ND]Darekill] *g* yes we have an allianc with them to crush the evil GoW do you want to join? [13:08] [MasterZen] sure! where do I sign up? hehehe [13:08] [MasterZen] I hate those GoW guys! [13:08] [[ND]Darekill] brb [13:08] [MasterZen] ok [13:09] [[ND]Borc] Master Zen, can i give you a short summary of the last week in neu demogyptica [13:09] [MasterZen] sure [13:09] [[ND]Borc] 1) probably we will have a new governemnt next week [13:09] [[ND]Borc] 4 ministers: zayxus, darekill, bor, zerialienguru [13:10] [[ND]Borc] 2) many of us saw panzers map [13:10] [[ND]Borc] there was no revolt in nd *g [13:10] [MasterZen] hahaha [13:11] [[ND]Borc] 3) we told all our people, that [13:11] [[ND]Borc] a) the war will begin in about 15 turns (maybe 12 now) [13:11] [MasterZen] ok [13:11] [[ND]Borc] b) you will atack rp one turn earlier then we do [13:11] [[ND]Borc] 4) we started to discuss a warmap [13:12] [[ND]Borc] iwe did not made a final decision but may i can send you a map via email? [13:12] [MasterZen] sure [13:12] [[ND]Borc] mompls [13:13] [[ND]Darekill] back [13:14] [MasterZen] I've been thinking alot about how to take out RP's iron [13:15] [[ND]Borc] mz? @hotmail.com? or the other one? [13:15] [MasterZen] the other one please [13:15] [[ND]Darekill] we have one Swordsman in their back [13:15] [MasterZen] I hate hotmail [13:15] [[ND]Borc] k [13:15] [MasterZen] raguil@masterzen.net [13:16] [[ND]Borc] on the way [13:16] [MasterZen] I need the latest save... Panzer didn't forward it to me, do you guys have it? [13:17] [[ND]Borc] darekill has it [13:17] [MasterZen] darekill, could you forward it to me plzzzz? [13:17] [[ND]Darekill] your e-mail pleas... [13:18] [MasterZen] raguil@masterzen.net [13:18] [[ND]Darekill] ****. i dont have it here. [13:18] [[ND]Darekill] It is on another computer... [13:18] [MasterZen] ok, don't worry [13:18] [MasterZen] I just opened the map [13:19] [[ND]Borc] btw: on the map you see the swordsman and the 2nd iron of rp [13:19] [MasterZen] yes [13:20] [MasterZen] do they know about your swordsman? [13:20] [[ND]Borc] no [13:20] [[ND]Borc] he landed 1 turn ago [13:21] [MasterZen] hehe... cool [13:21] [[ND]Darekill] i want to test how close they watch their backyard. [13:21] [MasterZen] I doubt they do [13:21] [MasterZen] now, here's the big one: have you passed through the iron near Vigo? Is it defended? [13:21] [[ND]Darekill] if they do not. we will land some more troops there some Infantry [13:22] [[ND]Borc] they have at vigo one speerman on the iron, right darekill [13:22] [[ND]Darekill] yes the one in the cityradius is defendet by a spearman. [13:22] [[ND]Borc] 2 turns ago [13:23] [[ND]Borc] in another 2 turns our ship will have a look there again [13:23] [[ND]Borc] on the way back [13:23] [MasterZen] It's a tough position to attack [13:23] [[ND]Darekill] they didn't protets our trespassing the spanish waters. [13:23] [MasterZen] especially if they move pikemen... [13:23] [[ND]Darekill] protest [13:24] [[ND]Borc] mz: the map shows not a final war plan - not at all [13:24] [MasterZen] yes, I know [13:24] [[ND]Darekill] well would be nice if we could distract some troops from the front. [13:24] [[ND]Borc] ithe map shows 6 front sections to defend [13:24] [[ND]Borc] and 6 attack targets (a1 to a6) [13:24] [[ND]Borc] we will not attack ALL 6 targets - of cause [13:25] [MasterZen] yes, A1 seems to be a little far off... hehehe [13:25] [[ND]Borc] there is one iportant question for the defense [13:25] [[ND]Borc] important [13:25] [[ND]Borc] do you see front section 5 and 6 in the east? [13:25] [MasterZen] yes [13:26] [[ND]Borc] 6 means the possibility for RP to land ships [13:26] [MasterZen] yes [13:26] [[ND]Borc] in the north of mavdad or in the east of thordoba [13:26] [MasterZen] we can send our galleys [13:27] [[ND]Borc] yes you have to watch there ships coming from bilbao [13:27] [[ND]Essigeimer] how many galleys you have at the moment, Zen? [13:27] [MasterZen] 3 or 4 I think [13:28] [MasterZen] they are all at Port Isolation [13:28] [[ND]Darekill] excelent they can block the landing. [13:28] [[ND]Borc] great! mabye you can send 2 of them to close the section 6 there [13:29] [MasterZen] we can definitely send 2 at least [13:29] [MasterZen] If we have 4 we can send 3 [13:29] [MasterZen] btw, I'm also thinking we can build a road to Mavdad [13:29] [[ND]Borc] ND will defend sections 1,2,3,4 and you have to close and 6 [13:29] [[ND]Borc] 5 and 6 [13:30] [[ND]Borc] a road to mavdad? its a long way for 15 turns [13:30] [MasterZen] it's not that long actually... [13:31] [[ND]Darekill] We should have a RoP in Game for the war. [13:31] [MasterZen] I need to see our last save but we have a road branching out towards the south [13:32] [[ND]Essigeimer] Zen, I propose to raise the attack complete at 5 and 6. ND+GoW together with a strong punch [13:33] [MasterZen] Bilbao should be pretty easy to take [13:34] [[ND]Darekill] Yes but our Ansar need plains not jungles [13:34] [MasterZen] btw, It's just 6 tiles from our road to the mountain north of Mavdad [13:35] [MasterZen] problem is there aren't many plains... [13:36] [MasterZen] until you get past the jungle [13:37] [MasterZen] so, let me get this clear, fronts 1, 2, 3 and 4 will be mostly defensive for you? [13:38] [MasterZen] and we will jointly attack at front 5? [13:38] [[ND]Darekill] in my eyes yes. [13:38] [MasterZen] geography would make that easiest IMO [13:39] [[ND]Borc] its only an ideá, but we want you to discuss it with your team tuntil the next chat! [13:39] [MasterZen] in Civ3 it is always best to attack with maximum strenght in one place [13:40] [[ND]feanor0815] what would be your maxstrenght on front 5 in 12 Rounds ? [13:41] [[ND]Borc] anyway the iron at A2 or better A3 is still a big option ...;-) [13:41] [MasterZen] at least 8 Riders [13:42] [MasterZen] the iron should be taken out anyways, that'll make any other attacks much easier [13:42] [MasterZen] especailly if we catch them off-guard with upgrades and money [13:43] [[ND]Darekill] we will try to capture the iron but thats not easy. [13:43] [[ND]Borc] so ND will maybe attack at A3(iron) and together with you at A5... [13:43] [[ND]Borc] ND also has to defend section 2,3,4 [13:43] [MasterZen] yep [13:43] [[ND]Borc] so we need more of your UU in section 5 [13:44] [MasterZen] hopefully once they see the power of our initial assualt you won't have to defend at all [13:44] [[ND]Borc] for bilbao it is enogh but then,,, [13:44] [MasterZen] problem is $$... horseman to rider upgrade costs $80 [13:45] [[ND]Essigeimer] slaughter your piggy bank [13:45] [[ND]Borc] thats right :-/ and you also need some pikes to defend your riders [13:45] [[ND]Borc] as we need also [13:46] [MasterZen] if we don't build a road to Mavdad sending Pikes will take forever [13:46] [MasterZen] unless we do it by ship [13:46] [MasterZen] which will also take quite a while [13:47] [[ND]Borc] so anyway - if you can send only 8 ( let us say 10 riders ;-)) we should attack together at 5... [13:47] [MasterZen] yep [13:48] [MasterZen] how many forces will you be able to put up over there? [13:48] [[ND]Borc] we still discuss how many pikes we need to defend the frontier cities [13:49] [[ND]Borc] arnablanca, marlowa, trippolis [13:49] [[ND]Borc] we would like to have 10 Ansars also for section 5 [13:50] [[ND]Darekill] i think we can provide about 8 to ten Ansar. [13:50] [MasterZen] that's 20 mobile units more or less... not bad [13:50] [[ND]Borc] and asome more pikes to defend them, can we do it? [13:51] [MasterZen] I assume you will have some sort of reserve force for a possible counteattack at home? like infantrys? [13:51] [[ND]Darekill] The other thing is that we do not have enough money to upgrade all troops and pay a fair price for chivallry in cash... [13:52] [[ND]Borc] we have infantry! thats right... we almost upgraded all opur swordsmen [13:52] [[ND]Borc] expensice also :-/ [13:53] [[ND]Darekill] we can however give you a payment in gpt. [13:53] [MasterZen] at least Ansars aren't as expensive as Riders [13:53] [MasterZen] I think we can make a good deal with the chivalry payment, so we get enough $$ to complete our upgrades but that you don't spend too much so that it won't hurt your upgrades either [13:54] [[ND]Borc] so we would like you to ask your people how we can fix the chivalry deal [13:54] [[ND]Borc] in about how many turns, by the way ? [13:54] [[ND]Darekill] i hope we can find that agreement but i'm sure we can. [13:55] [[ND]Darekill] we alway do [13:55] [MasterZen] ~10 ? I haven't seen the last save [13:55] [MasterZen] don't worry we will [13:55] [[ND]Borc] no problem [13:57] [MasterZen] I'll bring it up in our forum though, as a topic for Chat #3 [13:57] [[ND]Borc] please show them the map with the sections (especially 5 and 6 for you ships) [13:58] [MasterZen] I will, I'll post it right away [13:58] [[ND]Borc] it seems we have a good attack plan now :-) [13:58] [MasterZen] It will get better once we straighten out the details [13:59] [[ND]Borc] great... and please if nd makes a chat with gs next week and if you have any ideas what we can tell them please message me [13:59] [MasterZen] ok great [13:59] [MasterZen] I will also post that [14:00] [MasterZen] we are actually talking alot about what stand to take regarding GS and Vox [14:00] [[ND]Borc] imagine, if a unfriendly gs fleed would sail at barcelonas coast just 1 turn before we attack bilbao :-) [14:00] [MasterZen] things will be decided on very soon [14:00] [MasterZen] that is what I fear.. [14:00] [MasterZen] that's why we need GS neutral AT ALL COSTS [14:01] [[ND]Borc] right! we will do our best! they asked for a chat 1 week ago and so we have to meet them [14:02] [MasterZen] good, I'm going to try and "soften them up" a little next week too [14:02] [MasterZen] perhaps we will have a chat with them soon also [14:03] [[ND]Borc] thats ok... maybe gs can give republic to rp and if they have anarchy we can atack [14:03] [[ND]Borc] better players as i am have to think about it [14:04] [MasterZen] Spain is religious i think.. they would not pass through anarchy [14:04] [MasterZen] that's the only reason they're a Monarchy in the first place [14:05] [[ND]Borc] oh, you see... im not very good for the details [14:05] [[ND]Borc] we need ghengis for this [14:06] [MasterZen] hehe [14:06] * MasterZen wonders what ghengis is doing right now [14:07] [[ND]Borc] dreaming about bob [14:07] [[ND]Darekill] it is Borconia Borc you should know [14:07] [MasterZen] hahaha [14:08] [MasterZen] it's all one big ZENOPHOBIA [14:08] [[ND]Borc] LoL [14:08] [MasterZen] btw, we should start a ND-GoW PBEM [14:08] [[ND]Borc] if the war starts we should have a big chat party at ND and GoW [14:08] [MasterZen] hehehe yep [14:08] [[ND]Borc] we can do the turns very close then [14:09] [MasterZen] yes, in fact we should have turnchats for every turn [14:09] [MasterZen] since we play consecutively [14:09] [[ND]Borc] And a ND-GoW PBEM? would be fine for me, but after the war please... [14:10] [MasterZen] yes of course, it would be waaay to busy right now [14:10] [MasterZen] I'm in over 10 PBEMs right now.. hehehe [14:10] [[ND]Borc] and i have 2 chats the week and to nights with multiplayer civ [14:10] [[ND]Borc] mz, will you send me a chat log again? [14:11] [MasterZen] you play multiplayer? [14:11] [MasterZen] sure, I'll send the log [14:12] [[ND]Borc] great [14:13] [MasterZen] btw... one more thing [14:14] [MasterZen] are you still discussing Panzer's map or have you reached a decision on whether you agree or not? [14:15] [[ND]Darekill] Yes we are discussing it and there is a poll running. [14:16] [[ND]Darekill] Things don't look bad in this case. [14:16] [MasterZen] ok

to be continued...

	06-06-2003 01:04									#2
	Got spare money?

... continued

quote: [14:16] [MasterZen] shall we schedule our next chat next week same day same time? [14:17] [[ND]Borc] fact is that we all here think the map is fair... but some of our big nd tribe (20 people) need a good war to like the map :-) [14:17] [MasterZen] you have a lot of active people then... [14:17] [MasterZen] would you like to lend some to GoW? hehehe [14:18] [MasterZen] Darekill, if we keep your city, we can keep you too.. [14:18] [[ND]Borc] no please :-)) [14:18] [[ND]Darekill] to use the words of our late enemy [14:19] [[ND]Darekill] I was born a Neu Demogypter and i will die as a Neu Demogypter [14:20] [[ND]Essigeimer] Ich bin ein Neu-Dempgypter [14:20] [[ND]Borc] how many active people do you have? [14:20] [MasterZen] oh well, I was just trying to get some more people to join [14:20] [MasterZen] well, right now, Panzer, Hot_Enamel and me :P [14:20] [MasterZen] I think Donegeal is back he should start getting active in a few days [14:20] [MasterZen] UnOrthO had some connection problems at home but is getting more active recently [14:21] [[ND]Borc] what a pitty! i like it to see GoW very active... [14:21] [MasterZen] and well, I think Ghengis will be back next week [14:21] [[ND]feanor0815] make them drunk a letem sign sthg [14:21] [MasterZen] we will get you drunk with our wine [14:21] [[ND]Borc] we at ND hope that some of our inactives will come back to enjoy the war ... [14:21] [MasterZen] war always brings out the best of us [14:22] [MasterZen] well you guys have a HUGE forum [14:22] [MasterZen] I visited it one or two times and I was very suprised at the number of people and posts [14:23] [[ND]Borc] are you also involved in the intersite game? [14:24] [MasterZen] yes [14:24] [MasterZen] I'm the deputy foreign affairs minister for the team [14:24] [[ND]Borc] good... so if we win against rp, gs and lego we can continue there :-) [14:25] [MasterZen] hahaha [14:25] [[ND]Borc] anyway, my wife wants me at home - NOW!!! [14:25] [[ND]Borc] and not in my office ;-) [14:25] [MasterZen] Sir Ralph is on your team right? [14:25] [MasterZen] hehe [14:25] [MasterZen] I'm too young to have a wife asking me home... [14:26] [[ND]feanor0815] everyones too young for this )))))) [14:26] [MasterZen] hehehe [14:26] [MasterZen] I'm only 23 :P [14:26] [[ND]Borc] i ever will be too young for this [14:27] [MasterZen] I have an entire eternity to be addicted to Civilization [14:27] [[ND]Borc] bye everybody and send me the log... good nicht! [14:27] [MasterZen] ok [14:27] [MasterZen] gutennacht! [14:27] [[ND]Darekill] Sir Ralph joined our team in the intersite game but haven't shouwn up for quite a time. [14:28] [[ND]Darekill] shown [14:28] [MasterZen] he's a very good player [14:28] * [ND]Borc has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [14:28] [[ND]Darekill] yes we know. [14:29] * Panzer32 has joined #gow [14:29] [MasterZen] Panzer! [14:29] [Panzer32] hello all [14:29] [[ND]Darekill] just when we finished the official part [14:29] [Panzer32] [14:29] [MasterZen] hehe [14:30] [Panzer32] so whats going on? [14:30] [MasterZen] yes, we had just agreed on chat cities to target with our ICBMs [14:31] [[ND]Darekill] I...C...B...M....S ?=??? [14:31] [MasterZen] nukes [14:31] [[ND]Darekill] damn we thought we keept that tech secret! [14:31] [MasterZen] we got some from a goodie hut! hahaha [14:32] [Panzer32] so has anything been decided? [14:33] [MasterZen] ND showed us a map with possible military attacks [14:33] [MasterZen] I will post it in our forums right now [14:34] [Panzer32] anything with splitting the continent? [14:35] [MasterZen] they are having a poll [14:35] [MasterZen] it seems to be going well [14:37] [MasterZen] we also talked about the GS incident [14:40] [Panzer32] why don't I just read the log? [14:40] [MasterZen] yes, that would be better... let me post it [14:45] [MasterZen] ok guys, I must head on, I have a lot of work to do today [14:45] [MasterZen] it was a pleasure chatting with you as always [14:46] [[ND]feanor0815] and vv [14:46] [[ND]Essigeimer] thanks for hospitality Zen [14:46] [[ND]feanor0815] have to leave too [14:46] [Panzer32] bye [14:46] [[ND]feanor0815] cu next chat [14:46] * [ND]feanor0815 has left #GoW [14:47] [[ND]Darekill] i'm sorry but i have to leave now too. [14:47] [[ND]Darekill] next week same time same place? [14:47] [MasterZen] sure [14:47] [MasterZen] same time [14:47] [[ND]Essigeimer] yes, lets go home to our wifes [14:47] [MasterZen] same channel [14:47] [[ND]Darekill] all right by cu [14:47] [MasterZen] hehee [14:47] * [ND]Darekill has quit IRC (Quit: ) [14:47] [MasterZen] take care guys [14:48] [[ND]Zayxus] cu [14:48] [[ND]Essigeimer] au revoir [14:48] * [ND]Essigeimer has quit IRC (Quit: ) [14:48] * [ND]Zayxus has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving) [14:48] [Panzer32] Is the chat log posted yet? [14:49] [MasterZen] nope [14:49] [Panzer32] k

	06-06-2003 05:22									#3
	Increase Your PM Length

arg... I wish I was there for the chat... I play the turns so I know alot about troop placement etc.

quote: [13:27] [[ND]Essigeimer] how many galleys you have at the moment, Zen? [13:27] [MasterZen] 3 or 4 I think [13:28] [MasterZen] they are all at Port Isolation

We have 3 galleys total, and one is circling Legoland. We have 2 galleys fortified inside Port Isolation.

quote: [13:55] [MasterZen] ~10 ? I haven't seen the last save

Turns to Chivalry last turn was 8 or 7 I believe.

quote: [13:40] [[ND]feanor0815] what would be your maxstrenght on front 5 in 12 Rounds ? [13:41] [[ND]Borc] anyway the iron at A2 or better A3 is still a big option ...;-) [13:41] [MasterZen] at least 8 Riders

Maybe, provided that we get the money for upgrades soon enough.

quote: [13:29] [MasterZen] btw, I'm also thinking we can build a road to Mavdad [13:29] [[ND]Borc] ND will defend sections 1,2,3,4 and you have to close and 6 [13:29] [[ND]Borc] 5 and 6 [13:30] [[ND]Borc] a road to mavdad? its a long way for 15 turns [13:30] [MasterZen] it's not that long actually...

Even if it were possible, we don't have enough available workers to do this.

Also, about the war chats: I think it would be a good idea, although it might be restricted because of our time differences.