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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:28
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If the Tiananmen Square Massacre happened today - or a similar event - in any country, what should our response be? Should we go to war? Economic sanctions? Nothing?
My answer is that we should voluntarily boycott products from that country, and use the CIA or other means to assassinate those responsible, on the reasoning that defense of another is perfectly moral (provided, of course, that it's not a massive operation costing tons of taxpayer money). That would have been my likely answer to actual Tiananmen Square, too, by the way.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:28
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Why should you stick your nose into internal Chinese policies and actions? (re assasinations)
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:28
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Why should you stick your nose into internal Chinese policies and actions? |
Why should the Chinese government be able to commit murder? Or, why should I stick my nose into the affairs between a murderer and a victim?
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:28
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Why would that matter?
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:28
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Originally posted by Solver
Sanctions, clearly, and boycott.
And Israeli Mossad DID assasinate those responsible during a similar event... |
The Munchen casualties were Israelis representing Israel, there is a big difference.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:28
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DF :
Did you support toppling Saddam's regime?
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:28
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Nope, but I would have supported a simple operation to kill Saddam.
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Eli
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Israel
Jul 2000
time: 07:28
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Originally posted by David Floyd
Nope, but I would have supported a simple operation to kill Saddam. |
But that wouldnt have been effective. His heirs are as bad as he is/was.
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Monk
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I don't think we're in Brønshøj anymore
Jan 1970
time: 06:28
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Yeah, I'd like some elaboration as well, David, because it's been my impression so far that you've been advocating the isolationist "it's their business" stance?
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:28
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But that wouldnt have been effective. His heirs are as bad as he is/was. |
If Saddam got killed for what he did, that might have been a deterrant.
DD,
What doesn't compute.
El Awrence,
Murder is indeed always wrong.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:28
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Yeah, I'd like some elaboration as well, David, because it's been my impression so far that you've been advocating the isolationist "it's their business" stance? |
Actually I've moved a bit away from that, on the same reasoning that it's perfectly moral to step in and stop a mugger from robbing an old lady. The key, though, in either case, is that the action to stop the "mugger" must be voluntary - both in terms of finances and actions.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:28
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That you believe killing people can be done on the cheap. We tried that for years with Castro. |
It's the not getting caught part that's tough, not the killing part.
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GePap
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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:28
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Originally posted by Gatekeeper
The world community would likely play the "worried" role, enact a few sanctions, and that's it. Then Bush would step in and upset the apple cart, and his administration would be accused of making the world a more dangerous place.
Sorry, the cynic in me took over for a moment ...
Gatekeeper |
Actually, the Bush admin. would do as much as the original Bush admin. China is too big and too imporant for leaders of the US to do a damn. Plus, since China is a permanent SC Member, the most sanctions states could place on each other would be at the national, local level. But since China is now part of WTO, the type of scope of sanctions placed by any other WTO members is unclear, no, unless mandated by the UNSC, which would not be.
Plus if the Chinese call the people terrorists.....
Sadly, state with power get away with murder.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:28
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Yes. That's why the expense comes in. |
Right, but I don't care about getting caught.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:28
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*sigh* there you go again, DF, sticking your nose into the business of another soveriegn nation's affairs. It's not your business, 'member? |
It's my business in the same way that an old lady getting mugged in front of me is my business.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:28
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El Awrence - is it murder to shoot someone who is trying to shoot you, or another innocent?
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
Jan 1970
time: 05:28
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Not your fault, Dave....remember? Don't worry 'bout it. |
But I have a moral means to prevent it. If I stood aside, it wouldn't be murder - it would be, as someone said earlier, callous indifference, which is also bad. If there is a moral means to prevent immorality, then we should ALWAYS take that means (with the exception that the means involves us dying, in which case it becomes a personal value judgement).
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