06-06-2003 17:18									#1
	Barbarians got brains???? Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

Hey - I just bought PTW and am playing my first game with it (yeah, well, I live in a shell I guess 'cause I didn't even know it existed until two days ago!) and I think the Barbs are smarter! They hover outside my settlements so I can't use workers without killing them first. Or is this just my crazy imagination???

	06-06-2003 17:39									#2
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I think there as stupid as always

	06-06-2003 19:34									#3
	Re: Barbarians got brains???? Remove this text

quote: Originally posted by mimi Hey - I just bought PTW and am playing my first game with it (yeah, well, I live in a shell I guess 'cause I didn't even know it existed until two days ago!) and I think the Barbs are smarter! They hover outside my settlements so I can't use workers without killing them first. Or is this just my crazy imagination???

No. The changes to the barbarian AI was well documented by the Firaxis team when PTW first came out.

	06-06-2003 19:55									#4
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Yes, the first game I played of PtW was a shock--the Barbs were actually a threat for once! They only attack units that they feel they can beat and they also pursue the tactic you mentioned above. However, the greatest thing I've seen them do was when all the AIs were ganging up on me in the Ancient Ages (yeah, these guys hated my guts already!) and just when I thought I could take them on, the Barbarians to my south and west started destroying my South. The game was quickly history.

	06-06-2003 19:56									#5
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Yes they are smarter. They will not just walk up to a fortified city and toss themself on your spears.
They will pillage and go around fatal encounters.
I am not saying that they are smart, only not brain dead as they had been.

	07-06-2003 03:35									#6
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I can't believe they don't take control of cities anymore.. Was it a bug fix or just something that pissed people off? I really enjoyed that fact.. Now I have to set barbs to raging every game just for a little fun.

	07-06-2003 03:48									#7
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Barbs never could take cities in Civ3--they could just ransack them and leave you're thinking of civ2 maybe?

	07-06-2003 04:04									#8
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Never played Civ2. I did play Civ:CTP though I thought it was civ3 >shrug<

	08-06-2003 03:08									#9
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Ghen:

CTP is an XP of CIV 2 not CIV 3.

	08-06-2003 05:39									#10
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Sometimes i wish they'd just take the damn city rather than ransack it, especially when i'm doing the 'research at 10% until it makes a difference' and all my money seems to be stacked in an outside city i've just built, oh well, guess i shud defend better *shrugs*

	08-06-2003 07:12									#11
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If you have a Spear or Pike in a city, Barbs shouldn't be a concern at all. Especially a Tank Killer Spear

Seriously though, any defensive unit in a city will stop Barbarians less than an uprising all directed toward that one city. (I don't think the savages are that smart yet ) Especially if you have a Walls or it's on a Hill or River.

	08-06-2003 10:49									#12
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That is sort of true. At Chief you get a bonus against barbs of something like 800. As you move up levels it goes down. IIRC it is 100 at Monarch, but the point is beating barbs is harder as you move up levels.

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	08-06-2003 21:54									#13
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by Mad Bomber Ghen: CTP is an XP of CIV 2 not CIV 3.

No it isn't. CTP (Call to Power) is a completely different game, only based on Civilization.

	09-06-2003 00:05									#14
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It's also by a completely different PUBLISHER (Craptivision). They also got sued over the "Civ:" part of the title.

	10-06-2003 03:28									#15
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so back to my q: could barbs take cities in CTP1?

	10-06-2003 05:25									#16
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Man I can not even remember if it had barbs, it has been so long.

	12-06-2003 01:45									#17
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I don't remember if ctp1 had barbarians at all...but there were slave revolt when your slaves tried to take over a city end eventually taking it over if they won. Highly frustrating

	13-06-2003 21:04									#18
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous No it isn't. CTP (Call to Power) is a completely different game, only based on Civilization.

Thanks for the correction! I have never played CTP, but based on other CIV players descriptions, I had assumed it was an XP.