07-06-2003 03:53									#31
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu Consider the following hypothetical situation: You have been an atheist, humanist and pacifist for the whole 20 years of your lifetime. Suddenly, while you're asleep, this god, which you were referring to, shows up in the room where you are. He orders you to rob the nearest gun shop with a kitchen knife, and then kill as many people as you can. Then, god disappears. What do you do?

You tell him sorry m8 but are you mad?

Well you have your reason to help you out.

	07-06-2003 03:55									#32
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quote: You tell him sorry m8 but are you mad?

To this 'god'? Consider, that it doesn't respond, it has already vanished.

	07-06-2003 03:59									#33
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Well than this "god " surely has some issues...

which begs the question

What kind of God would want you to act against your moral without explanation? unrelated--- btw Radiohead on BBC 2 now---

	07-06-2003 04:03									#34
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quote: What kind of God would want you to act against your moral without explanation?

I wouldn't want to put my words into your mouth, but are you now claiming that you wouldn't believe into a god if it's ethical world isn't the same as yours?

	07-06-2003 04:05									#35
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no just not in the one that doesn;t explain himself to me first - ie... what is the point with the violent action, he as omni - guy should have no problems doing that

	07-06-2003 04:08									#36
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So, a superior being should waste it's limited time to briefly explain it's motives to gain your trust?

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well that is the whole point of God - he is a loving fella, and loving fellas want to have your trust

	07-06-2003 04:12									#38
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Ok, thanks for your patience during your explanation(s?) -- I like to obtain different viewpoints from different persons, that's what I think is the whole point of BBS' such as this one.

	07-06-2003 04:18									#39
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I agree just fire off if you have more

	07-06-2003 04:51									#40
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god doesn't pop up and say hi, because he fears people. that's why he wrecked the tower of bable. seems like god is very weak! perhaps we could kill him if we tried hard enough?

	07-06-2003 04:58									#41
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you see all the different responses?

THAT'S why God doesn't say "Hi".

	07-06-2003 05:07									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu So, a superior being should waste it's limited time to briefly explain it's motives to gain your trust?

Why does an omnipotent being have a time limit?

	07-06-2003 05:09									#43
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The Bible isn't proof of God's existence, because there are other books out there that claim to be divinely inspired. And even if there weren't any other books making that claim, you would still have to prove that the Bible was in fact written by God.

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	07-06-2003 05:11									#44
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quote: Why does an omnipotent being have a time limit?

A bad selection of words, due to English being a non-native language for me.

Not literally limited, more like that it's time is more expensive than OFITG's, because 'god' holds more power than OFITG.

	07-06-2003 08:22									#45
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Because It can't? Or something else?

Don't think anyone knows why in any case....

	07-06-2003 08:26									#46
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quote: You have been an atheist, humanist and pacifist for the whole 20 years of your lifetime. Suddenly, while you're asleep, this god, which you were referring to, shows up in the room where you are. He orders you to rob the nearest gun shop with a kitchen knife, and then kill as many people as you can. Then, god disappears.

Ask yourself whether God would ask you to kill as many people as you can.

Then ask yourself whether you now believe in demons that oppose God.

quote: Not literally limited, more like that it's time is more expensive than OFITG's, because 'god' holds more power than OFITG.

Nope. God, at least an omnipotent one would have the capacity to make one second last an apparent eternity. Therefore, there is no need for God to ration time.

My answer to the question of why does God not come, the best answer is that he has already done so, even suffering death on a cross. If we do not believe in God after the crucifixion, why would we believe a voice talking to us?

	07-06-2003 08:33									#47
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quote: Imagine all the problems in the world that would solve.....

Vesayen:

Oddly, this point relates to your other thread. God allows man to make his own decisions, from Free will. God could easily solve all of our problems, but he allows us to make our own mistakes. This is one of the reasons for the existence of a flawed society.

Lorizael:

quote: The Bible isn't proof of God's existence, because there are other books out there that claim to be divinely inspired. And even if there weren't any other books making that claim, you would still have to prove that the Bible was in fact written by God.

Good question. One argument for the defense of scripture are the prophecies fulfilled, both in the OT and the NT. Another would be the accounts of things that could only be revealed by God, such as the testing of Job.

	07-06-2003 08:56									#48
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There are 100 billions of stars in our galaxy, and there are 100 billions of galaxies in our universe.

I think humans are overestimating their importance.

	07-06-2003 09:10									#49
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Such as?

For one thing, Christians + Muslims + Jews = minority of the world population. If your god sends non-believers to hell, then it's the responsobility of that same god to encourage conversions and not of any particular group of nutcases following the said deity.

Of course, the dastard doesn't show itself for the same reason that the invisible and intangible giant dragon in my garage who non-existence you can't prove doesn't.

	07-06-2003 09:19									#50
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quote: Of course, the dastard doesn't show itself for the same reason that the invisible and intangible giant dragon in my garage who non-existence you can't prove doesn't

Last time I checked, invisible giant dragons don't get nailed to crosses.

quote: it's the responsobility of that same god to encourage conversions and not of any particular group of nutcases following the said deity.

Why can't God work through people and the church?

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Hi

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Last time I checked, invisible giant dragons don't get nailed to crosses.

In the time since then, this particular giant dragon was nailed to a cross. Unfortunately, the cross and nails are also invisible and intangible.

Why can't God work through people and the church?

Because the superpowers ascribed to that God suggest that a reliance on memes to get the point across is rather daft and inefficient.

	07-06-2003 10:08									#53
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quote: Why dosent God just pop up and say "Hi"

Oh, don't worry, he does all the time. You just have to learn to listen.

	07-06-2003 10:09									#54
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St. Leo:

quote: Because the superpowers ascribed to that God suggest that a reliance on memes to get the point across is rather daft and inefficient.

God seems to like people working out things for themselves. Spreading the word seems to be a part of this as well. BTW, your response says nothing about whether God cannot use the church, admitting only that he may not want to use these methods.

quote: In the time since then, this particular giant dragon was nailed to a cross.

But he's so big! How would the cross ever fit the dragon. If he's invisible, how did the people catch the dragon in the first place?

Why crucify a dragon? What did the poor beast do?

Who crucified the dragon? When did they do so, and where?

Inquiring minds want to know.

Tass:
Howdy

	07-06-2003 10:10									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Tassadar5000 Hi

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quote: Originally posted by Tuomerehu Consider the following hypothetical situation: You have been an atheist, humanist and pacifist for the whole 20 years of your lifetime. Suddenly, while you're asleep, this god, which you were referring to, shows up in the room where you are. He orders you to rob the nearest gun shop with a kitchen knife, and then kill as many people as you can. Then, god disappears. What do you do?

That's popping up and saying "hi?"

I reckon it would be something more along the lines of having every radio and TV station interrupted at the same time, with God appearing on the screen, waving to the viewer, and say, "Hi, I am Yehwah. How're you doin'?"

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quote: Originally posted by Lorizael The Bible isn't proof of God's existence, because there are other books out there that claim to be divinely inspired. And even if there weren't any other books making that claim, you would still have to prove that the Bible was in fact written by God.

In fact, I'd rather say that the Bible is a proof of the christian God's non-existence, because we know that some facts in it are not correct (Man wasn't created in 1 day, except for some american fanatics ).
How could the Bible be wrong if it represents God's words ?

	07-06-2003 15:53									#58
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Why are atheists so obsessed with invisible giant dragons?

I think they have issues....

In answer to the original question, He is here. You are just too blind to see Him.

	07-06-2003 17:23									#59
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He did...
and we killed him.

	07-06-2003 17:58									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Rogan Josh Why are atheists so obsessed with invisible giant dragons?

I thought it was theists who were obsessed with an invisible parent sitting on a cloud spanking his naughty kids?