08-06-2003 22:41									#1
	370 (09): Orders, Results, Discussion Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

I forgot to make this thread earlier.

The 370bc save is now here. I will read any orders posted in the 390 thread and post results here.

Some early highlights:

We Love "La Reina" Day in Pamplona.

Adding a beautiful lawn to the new Pamplona palace.

AND Pamplona's cultural borders increase.

Pamplona finishes worker.

Salamanca finishes worker.

There's a barbarian by the Barb Bounty Hunters

Castor & Pollocks finish their roads.

The Winter Worker group is ready to make a roading decisions in the west.

The Dejon worker group on the floodplains is ready to make a decision.

GodKing worker finishes mine.

--Togas

	08-06-2003 22:49									#2
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These are E_T's orders:

quote: Worker Orders First off: halt Arnelos and History Guy Workers from their current taskings! Arnelos to move to Toledo #2 and will start roading next turn. History Guy starts Irrigating. DO FIRST!! Astrologix group road the floodplain Name the Worker from Salamanca to NW Worker and move him to the Pamplona Forrest (Pamp #6), will road next turn. Name the Worker from Pamplona to GT Worker and move him to the same tile as NW worker. Both will road next turn. Godking Worker, move to Zaragossa #14, will mine next turn. R_M Group, move onto the Iron Mountain. Castor & Pollox, both move to Madrid #6, both will mine then road. E_T

	08-06-2003 22:51									#3
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A reply by Astrologix

quote: E_T, we need only a worker to build a colony. May I suggest to send one of those workers to Santiago or Vigo in order to link another luxury ?

Agreed. To form a colony we sacrifice one worker on the iron. We won't need to road it, the tile is automatically roaded.

I would prefer that we not build the colony now, it's wasteful. We should therefore build the road south and later send a worker back up to the iron to build the colony when we decide we need it.

--Togas

	08-06-2003 22:55									#4
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I cannot play the save now.

I request that the team meet at 6pm EST in our chatroom to play the save and discuss any questionable areas. Majority rules for decisions.

OliverFA shall play the save. If he is not available Dejon shall play.

If neither of these two play, I will play it upon my return sometime today/tonight.

--Togas

p.s. We NEED to link up another luxury as we have -0- available to give to GS should we go with GK's plan. This is critical and the worker orders need to be updated to reflect this!

	08-06-2003 23:19									#5
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With GS not having a harbor that WE know about (they might have one in a dark city), HOW can we trade a Lux to them??

They don't want to trade maps, that's Info that can be used Militarily against them (it's worked somewhat for them so far), so if they do have a harbor, we won't likely get the information that we need to trade them a Lux.

Also, If we tell them WHAT cities that we do know about, then the fact that we have already gotten GoW's map (secret Info) would very likely get back to GoW. And if we do tell them what cities that we know about, do we ask them (nicely) to drop their Military production and build a harbor??

Both of these aren't likely, not without a long IRC conferance with them, so what do we need those extra Luxes for right now??

E_T

	08-06-2003 23:39									#6
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Hey guys, think about this,
I was goofing around in the game, and found out that if we allow Santiago´s silk workers to crop the fields of that irrigated plains that Vigo actualy uses (the one just above the tile with the Iron Maul), and change the guys who were working there to the roaded gems we get santiago growing in 6 turns, and a market there built after 28 turns (instead of 42) and Vigo gets a market after 23 turns as it would if no change ocurred. The only drawback is that Vigo stops growing, but we can resume Vigo´s growth after Santiago has grown,so that it can keep the speed for building the market (after Santiago has grown it will be able to work 2 roaded unirrigated plains to compensate for giving back the irrigated plains back to Vigo)
What do you guys think?
And if we change the Vigo worker who is working the irrigated plains to the roaded gems then we will keep the same amount of GPT.I´ve checked, and we keep at 34 gpt.
Please think carefully about it,
Nuclear Winter

	08-06-2003 23:41									#7
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Also, E_T has asked me to post that changing Toledo's WF to 6-13-14-18 will not effect the Barracks build or the food surpluss, but it will increase trade by 1.

	09-06-2003 03:32									#8
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370BC Military orders :
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Jungle Patrol
-move S

Cutting Edge 1
-rename to Last Cutting Edge

Cutting Edge 5 & 6 (last two 2 sword veterans)
-move NW, NW, W (into Zaragoza)
-rename to Smashing Maul 4 & 5
-upgrade both to Med Inf (40 gold)

Cutting Edge 1, 2, & 4 (in Zaragoza)
-rename to Smashing Maul 1, 2, & 3
-move SW, SW
-fortify

Pamplona Guard
-move SE, SE (into Pamplona)
-fortify

Pamplona Garrison (in Pamplona)
-move NW, NW, NW

Santiago Guard (in Santiago)
-fortify

Leon Guard (in Leon)
-fortify

Vigo Guard (pikeman)
-move SW (into Vigo)
-fortify

Vigo Guard (spearman in Vigo)
-move NE, NE, NE

Coastal Guard (spearman on iron)
-move E, NE, NE

Iron Maul (Med. Inf)
-move W
-fortify

Med. Inf. in Leon
-rename to Iron Maul
-move W, W, SW

Guardia Observatoria
-move S

Valencia Bounty Hunter
-move N

Nina
-move NE, NE, N

Santa Maria
-??? (Needs discussion with Vox, I guess.)

Armada Guards (two Pikemen)
-move SE (into New Madrid)
-fortify

Armada Sword (on road)
-move S, SW, S

Feoscalvos (in Barcelona)
-rename to Armada Sword

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Leon: No changes

Salamanca: Produce Worker

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	09-06-2003 07:25									#9
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Results

Pamplona's Borders expand!

Pamplona is celebrating We Love La Reina Day!

There are still Seljuk tribes near Valencia

Mil strength: Weak to GS, Ave to Vox, ND, Strong to Lego, GoW.


military:
Jungle Patrol S
Cutting Edge 5&6 moved to Zaragoza and upgraded (6 needs to be renamed to 4 next turn!)
Smashing Maul 1-3 moved back to staging area and FORT
The Last Cutting Edge remains (he is Elite)
Pamplona Guard SE, SE, FORT in Pamplona
Pamplona Guarrison NW, NW, NW
Santiago Guard FORT (2 guards now in Santiago)
Vigo Guard SW, FORT in Santiago
Vigo Garrison NE, NE, NE
Coastal Garrison E, NE, NE
Iron Maul W, FORT on Iron
Leon Guard FORT
GuObs S
Valencia Bounty Hunter moves NW, attacks barb warrior, no damage.
Armada Sword S, SW, S
Feocalvos renamed to Armada Sword 2

Nina NE, NE, N
Santa Maria SE, SE, SE


workers:
Astrologix Workers Finish Road
New Salamanca worker E, N (need to rename next turn, sorry ET!)
GT Worker SW to forest
Godking Worker E, E, S
Castor & Pollox move to Madrid 6
Ruby Worker Group S



cities:
Pamplona builds worker, starts on Marketplace (suggest change?)
1 of Pamplona's WF set to scientist. WF to 2-7-8-19

Salamanca builds worker, starts on worker.

Toledo WF moved to 6-13-14-18 (needs to move back next turn!)

here

--Togas

	09-06-2003 09:47									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Togas Pamplona's Borders expand! Pamplona is celebrating We Love La Reina Day! cities: Pamplona builds worker, starts on Marketplace (suggest change?) 1 of Pamplona's WF set to scientist. WF to 2-7-8-19

Great turn. I'm sorry I was unable to post orders before the save was played; I had to make an unexpected trip.

And I think we all know what I'm gonna request the queue be changed to

	09-06-2003 11:25									#11
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A Settler, right??

E_T