10-06-2003 04:36									#1
	Microsofts extends its reach into more aspects of human society... Full PM-box? Change here!

Preemptive strike!

Sincerely,
William Gates

	10-06-2003 04:39									#2
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"Now Microsoft plans to use the tool to dominate the film industry's distribution technology, from digital dailies to theatrical releases to digital cable and DVDs."

"Microsoft is creating a platform to support every link of the value chain, from creation to distribution to consumption,"



http://www.wired.com/news/digiwood/0,1412,59107,00.html

	10-06-2003 04:41									#3
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Yep, Windows Media is going to own the world.

I've been telling people, MPEG4 is DOA.

	10-06-2003 04:43									#4
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Edit : after having read Monolith's post :

Windows media sucks. It is by far the worst player I've ever had on my windows. Winamp is way better for sound, and Sasami offers much more viewing comfort than the pathetic WMP.

Besides, I haven't seen MS at the peak of compression technology...

Once again, MS will use its sharky attack technique in order to impose its subpar products to the world

	10-06-2003 04:45									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Will they impose Palladium in their next windows already, or will they wait a few years before bigbrothering the whole computer world ?

Not to threadjack, but the whole Palladium scare is BS.

1) It ships disabled
2) Palladium actually allows secure, private P2P networks.

	10-06-2003 04:47									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Edit : after having read Monolith's post : Windows media sucks. It is by far the worst player I've ever had on my windows. Winamp is way better for sound, and Sasami offers much more viewing comfort than the pathetic WMP.

Windows Media != Windows Media Player

Windows Media is the encoders, decoders, and codecs in general. Windows Media powers DirectShow and DirectSound, which Winamp and just about all other MP3/WMA players on Windows use to output sound, and DirectShow is used almost universally for all video on Windows.

Windows Media Formats are things like WMA, WMV, ASF, etc.

Windows Media Player is merely a stock player so all people with Windows are capable of watching Windows Media movies or hearing Windows Media audio. It's simply a DirectShow frontend.

	10-06-2003 04:51									#7
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I actually like Windows Media. It's gotten much better than Real Player.

	10-06-2003 04:54									#8
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A hard kick in the groin is better than Real Player.

	10-06-2003 04:59									#9
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Well, OK Whe, I didn't account for Real Player. I must admit MS hasn't done the most horrible product

	10-06-2003 05:01									#10
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WMP on Windows is also way better than QuickTime on Windows.

Especially with a minimalistic Winamp-esque type skin on WMP.

	10-06-2003 05:05									#11
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"WMP on Windows is also way better than QuickTime on Windows."

And quicktime on Macintosh is WAY better than WMP on Macintosh... Your point???

	10-06-2003 05:06									#12
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Helluva a preemptive strike, does anyone else see Asher's post as the first one in here?

	10-06-2003 05:09									#13
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I'm using Sasami2k, and it is way better than your players, lamers !

Key Shortcuts are the way to go ! I only hope the player would be more stable

	10-06-2003 05:26									#14
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Why don't you configure Winamp's key shortcuts?

	10-06-2003 05:33									#15
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I hate how Winamp's video rendering is done. The progression bar on the side rather than inside the window (but hidden) makes it vastly inferior to Sasami IMHO. But Winamp rocks when it comes to music

Sasami has everything I dream of, i.e a perfect interface : the progression bar is hidden within the window until the mouse pointer gets on the zone it normally occupies, and it disappears immediately again once the mouse pointer has moved elsewhere.
The key shortcuts are great, especially the ones which allow to go 5 seconds forwards or backwards (simply left and right keys).

The really big problem is the lack of stability : I often have to try a few times before the video launches. Fortunately, I have never seen it crash while reading a non-corrupt video, it only crashes at the launch.

	10-06-2003 05:35									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor I hate how Winamp's video rendering is done. The progression bar on the side rather than inside the window (but hidden) makes it vastly inferior to Sasami IMHO. But Winamp rocks when it comes to music

Huh?
My "progression" bar is always on the bottom center when fullscreen, and only appears when the mouse is active by default. On the player, it's the same spot it is for music...

	10-06-2003 05:38									#17
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quicktime and realplayer both suck. i only have them for their codecs, and i destroyed all associations they had with any file outside of their proprietary sh|t.

windows media is better than both of them, but for viewing most everything else, i ususally go with core media player, bsplayer, or divx player.

	10-06-2003 07:09									#18
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	10-06-2003 07:46									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Asher Windows Media is the encoders, decoders, and codecs in general.

Doesn't each player/etc. have its own codecs, decoders, and so forth? That's where the real difference is, afterall.

	10-06-2003 07:47									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Lorizael Helluva a preemptive strike, does anyone else see Asher's post as the first one in here?

Sometimes vBB would eat the first post of a new thread.

	10-06-2003 07:49									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Doesn't each player/etc. have its own codecs, decoders, and so forth? That's where the real difference is, afterall.

No, codecs are registered with DirectShow/DirectSound.

That's why Winamp can play all WM9 files without giving winamp any codecs.

Since 99% of media applications are just DirectShow frontends, it makes sense that DirectShow manage the codecs rather than the applications themselves.

Players can have their own decoder, but they don't need one.

	10-06-2003 09:55									#22
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quote: Originally posted by monolith94 "WMP on Windows is also way better than QuickTime on Windows." And quicktime on Macintosh is WAY better than WMP on Macintosh... Your point???

you can run windows media player on a mac? how's that work?

	10-06-2003 09:56									#23
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I like windows media player. It is intuitive and easy to use, and it's right there in the start bar. No thinking required

	11-06-2003 03:13									#24
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"you can run windows media player on a mac? how's that work?"

It's got alot less features than the pc version - it doesn't do anything other than movies... that's fine with us macheads though - we've got itunes for that.

	11-06-2003 03:19									#25
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macheads=crackheads?

	11-06-2003 10:45									#26
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seriously, i don't like the idea of an all-in-one media player.

i use winamp and sonique for audio files. winamp2--not bloated, slow, and painfully irritating winamp3.

	11-06-2003 10:51									#27
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how did asher do that?

	11-06-2003 19:51									#28
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I still use Windows Media Player 6.

	11-06-2003 20:24									#29
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DivX Player 2.1 is the ass kicker with ATI Catalyst 3.4 drivers as those include a special video acceleration support for it, plus the program is light and works nicely. WMP and Winamp are bad for videos, in comparison to DivX Player 2.1.

	11-06-2003 20:25									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed seriously, i don't like the idea of an all-in-one media player.

I certainly agree with you.