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jim panse
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Anvilvania
Oct 2002
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And the units.gif
As you have seen, I´ve changed a lot of the units and made/put in new ones.
* you can find now a US Submarine unit (next to the M3A1 Stuart/Honey);
* I also left the Type-97 tank out;
* gave the Japanese an own carrier class and included a generic flat top;
* substituted the battleship unit with an other one;
* included also the P-40 Flying Tiger for China;
* included also a communist chinese infantry unit;
* included the F4-U Corsair as an additional Allied plane;
* included the B5N Kate ("... a day which will live in infamy...") to give the Japanese an torpedo bomber;
* included also the Ki-21, the workhorse of the Japanese Air Force in the 1st half of the war;
* changed the generic bomber (if any has a better idea for this unit, tell me)
* eliminated the Supply Truck;
* replaced the Field Artillery with another unit;
* added an AA Battery;
I´m not happy at all with the generic bomber, and the Dutch Infantry will get recoloured once I know which colours to take ....
edit: changed the units.gif
 Attachment: units.gif
This has been downloaded 169 time(s).
Last edited by jim panse on 11-06-2003 at 16:20
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Case
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The backlash starts here
Feb 2000
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That's looking great Jim. However, where's the US submarine unit? The US Submarine fleet almost won the war singlehandedly, sinking more then 50% of the Japanese mechant fleet! [german U-Boats sank less then 1% of the Allied merchant fleet].
Your choice of units seems to be a bit 'armour heavy'. The Pacific Theatre was really infantry terrain, with tanks only being used in a supporting role (each US infantry and Marine division had a tank battalion attached). AFAIK, there were a grand total of 6 armoured divisons in the Pacific Theatre - 3 Japanese and 3 Australian. The US was planning on commiting 2 Armoured Divisions to the invasion of Japan but the war ended before they arrived in the theatre.
The only full armoured division to see combat anywhere in the Pacific (prior to the Soviet Manchurian offencive) was the Japanese 2nd Tank division in Luzon in 1945 which was slaughtered by the tank battalions attached to the US divisions as well as the US 13th Provisional Tank Group, which consisted of 2 tank battalions and an tank destroyer battalion (making it the largest US concentration of armour in the pacific war).
As for the minor combatatants, The Brits had a couple of Armoured Brigades in Burma in 1942 (the famous 7th Armoured Brigade covered the retreat from Burma, before returing back to North Africa) and 1944-45. The only Australian Armoured formation to see any action was the 4th Armoured Brigade whic, equiped with Matilda II's, served in New Guneia, Bouganville and Borneo from 1943 to 1945.
BTW, the Dutch East Indies troops wore quite a different uniform then what you're given them. Also, the Australians definetly wore the hat I drew, not Guk Guk's version. As some chrome, you can give one of the Aussies a British-style helmet - Australian troops seem to have been free to chose between the two.
I'll confess to being something of a Pacific War geek, so feel free to shoot any questions at me. 
Last edited by Case on 11-06-2003 at 06:08
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jim panse
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Oct 2002
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quote:
Originally posted by Case
That's looking great Jim. However, where's the US submarine unit? The US Submarine fleet almost won the war singlehandedly, sinking more then 50% of the Japanese mechant fleet! [german U-Boats sank less then 1% of the Allied merchant fleet].
Your choice of units seems to be a bit 'armour heavy'. The Pacific Theatre was really infantry terrain, with tanks only being used in a supporting role (each US infantry and Marine division had a tank battalion attached). AFAIK, there were a grand total of 6 armoured divisons in the Pacific Theatre - 3 Japanese and 3 Australian. The US was planning on commiting 2 Armoured Divisions to the invasion of Japan but the war ended before they arrived in the theatre.
The only full armoured division to see combat anywhere in the Pacific (prior to the Soviet Manchurian offencive) was the Japanese 2nd Tank division in Luzon in 1945 which was slaughtered by the tank battalions attached to the US divisions as well as the US 13th Provisional Tank Group, which consisted of 2 tank battalions and an tank destroyer battalion (making it the largest US concentration of armour in the pacific war).
As for the minor combatatants, The Brits had a couple of Armoured Brigades in Burma in 1942 (the famous 7th Armoured Brigade covered the retreat from Burma, before returing back to North Africa) and 1944-45. The only Australian Armoured formation to see any action was the 4th Armoured Brigade whic, equiped with Matilda II's, served in New Guneia, Bouganville and Borneo from 1943 to 1945.
BTW, the Dutch East Indies troops wore quite a different uniform then what you're given them. Also, the Australians definetly wore the hat I drew, not Guk Guk's version. As some chrome, you can give one of the Aussies a British-style helmet - Australian troops seem to have been free to chose between the two.
I'll confess to being something of a Pacific War geek, so feel free to shoot any questions at me.
I'd support what Case said about infantry versus armour. This could be a scenario where infantry are useful for a change. You'd be more justified in having a larger range of aircraft. Where are the Hellcat and the Corsair, for instance? or a Nationalist Chinese Flying Tigers P-40?
The British infantry didn't wear standard battledress - they should have light khaki uniforms early on replaced by a jungle green battledress later. I'm not sure why you've included Brit paras either; I'd replace them with Chindits who can still have paradrop. To be really geeky, you've got the wrong US Airborne division as well - the 82nd served in Europe.
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Would you geeks be so kind to post some colour schemes that I can go again after the units? Currently I´m replacing and redrawing a lot of them. Thanks in advance & keep the comments coming! 
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Case
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The backlash starts here
Feb 2000
time: 15:28
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Originally posted by fairline
I'm not sure why you've included Brit paras either; I'd replace them with Chindits who can still have paradrop. |
The British 5th Parachute Brigade did arrive in the theatre just before the Japanese surrender. It was to take part in operation 'Zipper', the liberation of Malaya, and operation 'Mailfist', the liberation of Singapore (the brigade was to wade ashore in 'Zipper', but make an airborne assault on the Johore Casuseway as part of 'Mailfist'). The entire 6th Airborne Division had been alerted to move to the pacific as well, but the war was over before the Divisions other 2 brigades could even start packing for the move.
I think that there was also an Indian Airborne division, but it never saw action (it may not have even completed training). The Australian Army also raised a supurbly trained and equiped parachute battalion which, bizarely, was never used in combat.
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To be really geeky, you've got the wrong US Airborne division as well - the 82nd served in Europe. |
Half true - while the 11th Airborne was the only airborne division to actually serve in the Pacific (it fought in New Guniea, Leyte and Luzon), the 82nd was also on the way to the Pacific at the time of VJ day. It was planned that the division would land near Tokyo as part of operation 'Coronet' in 1946. As things happened, the Division never left the US after returning from Europe.
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fairline
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of the wing
Sep 2002
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Jim - the units you've used for the Aussies would be good for the Brits as well (I'd give the Aussies one or two slouch hats). The British wore jungle green after 1942 I think. They also wore slouch hats and tin helmets in equal numbers, like the Aussies. I'd distinguish the Australians by giving one of your units an Owen gun, which was an Aussie SMG with a vertical magazine. I think Case did a graphic.
Dutch East Indies troops troops wore a green uniform with brown putees and equipment, and a straw hat thing, turned up at the side like the slouch hat.
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