12-06-2003 06:52									#61
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Is the one on the right a scary AA lesbian, or an 8 year old boy?

	12-06-2003 21:23									#63
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Zylka

The various red herrings you raise were all actually adressed in the court decision as well as a few that you did not raise.

The decision is a solid, well reasoned piece and provides very few avenues for successful appeal.

The bottom line is that the court saw the ability to marry as being a right or benefit and there was no logical reason to exclude a whole class of two person relationships. They addressed

1. family and procreation-- no difference except that gay couples obtain their children in a different manner. They are no less families

2. "The marriage is a man-woman thing because thats what it is" argument

Sorry . . . marriage has evolved from the days where a wife was the property of her husband to the present day. The above argument is the same as saying that a voter is a propertied white man because thats the way its always been.


Basically the court reasoned that there was no harm to heterosexual married couples in allowing homosexual couples to marry.


It is a good decision and is to be applauded

	12-06-2003 21:42									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Zylka The various red herrings you raise were all actually adressed in the court decision as well as a few that you did not raise. The decision is a solid, well reasoned piece and provides very few avenues for successful appeal. The bottom line is that the court saw the ability to marry as being a right or benefit and there was no logical reason to exclude a whole class of two person relationships. They addressed 1. family and procreation-- no difference except that gay couples obtain their children in a different manner. They are no less families 2. "The marriage is a man-woman thing because thats what it is" argument Sorry . . . marriage has evolved from the days where a wife was the property of her husband to the present day. The above argument is the same as saying that a voter is a propertied white man because thats the way its always been. Basically the court reasoned that there was no harm to heterosexual married couples in allowing homosexual couples to marry. It is a good decision and is to be applauded

I love you -- let's get married.

	12-06-2003 21:48									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Asher

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Hey, I already made those same points before!

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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 quote: Originally posted by Asher

	12-06-2003 21:59									#68
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exactly...who doesnt want to see two young attractive guys carassing one another?

	12-06-2003 22:01									#69
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 exactly...who doesnt want to see two young attractive guys carassing one another?

Me and my boyfriend..

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pshaw!

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You should see that..

Yeah I mean what is the big deal with the whole thing.. it is not like we are doing anything wrong.. we are just two handsome young guys who are holding each other closely..

If that is not beautiful.. I don't know what is.

	12-06-2003 22:16									#72
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feztastic?

	12-06-2003 22:20									#73
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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 feztastic?

Well I am going out with my SO.. talk to you later..

	12-06-2003 22:24									#74
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun I love you -- let's get married.

Mrfun

Three problems

1. there would be one too many penis in the relationship to fit my personal orientation

2. I am already married

3. I live in Alberta and the government has been vehement that they will not permit same-sex marriage here and are even willing to overrride the Charter to continue this position.

But ask someone else . . . maybe they will say yes

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my heart weeps for mr.fun

	12-06-2003 22:27									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov Hey, I already made those same points before!

Maybe they just have more authority coming from a straight married lawyer .

Our position on this issue seems almost identical.

	12-06-2003 22:31									#77
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quote: Originally posted by Fez You should see that.. Yeah I mean what is the big deal with the whole thing.. it is not like we are doing anything wrong.. we are just two handsome young guys who are holding each other closely.. If that is not beautiful.. I don't know what is.

But people have very different tolerances as to the level of display of affection they are comfortable witnessing or exhibiting. Personally I don't care what the gender of the participants are, the level of closeness should be consistent with the environment.

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quote: Originally posted by Flubber But people have very different tolerances as to the level of display of affection they are comfortable witnessing or exhibiting. Personally I don't care what the gender of the participants are, the level of closeness should be consistent with the environment.

Yeah that is true.. I have to be careful around here as people aren't very tolerant. I noticed that when I was travelling in different countries... I usually am not going any further than a nice loving hug when out in public..

Well I will have to go out later... he is kinda busy right now.

	12-06-2003 22:50									#79
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I think most people would have similar tolerances to myself. Hugs, handholding etc ok. Anything that looks like foreplay -- should be private.

Of course the line moves-- If you are in a wild nightclub where everyone is kissing and grinding against one another for example

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quote: Originally posted by Flubber Mrfun Three problems 1. there would be one too many penis in the relationship to fit my personal orientation 2. I am already married 3. I live in Alberta and the government has been vehement that they will not permit same-sex marriage here and are even willing to overrride the Charter to continue this position. But ask someone else . . . maybe they will say yes

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quote: Originally posted by Flubber I think most people would have similar tolerances to myself. Hugs, handholding etc ok. Anything that looks like foreplay -- should be private.

Yeah always I stay away from foreplay in public with my SO.. too dangerous.. it is always in my room or his room. That is where it should be.

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personally i love breaking out the scented massage oil and feathers while im waiting in line at the local deli

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quote: Originally posted by MRT144 personally i love breaking out the scented massage oil and feathers while im waiting in line at the local deli

What, no riding crop and leather pants?

	13-06-2003 03:29									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Asher What, no riding crop and leather pants?

See the other thread...he's saving those for Bodds!

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Alright, so back to my RED HERRING of marginal importance - what's the big deal with marrying a family member? Love can be that much the same as with two men, and if even a surgical agreement barring reproduction would be accepted by one half - there is no argument against it. I just find it arrogant thiat two men loving each other sexually is ok, while incest is arbitrarily perverted

(I WANT TO MARRY MY COUSIN)

	13-06-2003 05:39									#86
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Incest in my opinion is morally repugnant. But as I am a person of complex beliefs... in my opinion two people who are not related can love each other, regardless of gender.

	13-06-2003 05:45									#87
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We should just get rid of the concept of marriage altogether. IF gays can be married it's not about the child-rearing family. Face it the family is dead (unless you choose to organize that way).

	13-06-2003 05:46									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka Alright, so back to my RED HERRING of marginal importance - what's the big deal with marrying a family member? Love can be that much the same as with two men, and if even a surgical agreement barring reproduction would be accepted by one half - there is no argument against it. I just find it arrogant thiat two men loving each other sexually is ok, while incest is arbitrarily perverted (I WANT TO MARRY MY COUSIN)

As long as the other incest member is a consenting adult, why not?

	13-06-2003 06:01									#89
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...because the gay population sees it as "repugnant", and will often pretend otherwise in validating their own position.

	13-06-2003 06:41									#90
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka ...because the gay population sees it as "repugnant", and will often pretend otherwise in validating their own position.

Homosexuality and Incest are not equals.

And nor do I speak for an entire population.