11-06-2003 18:34									#1
	Sucky Great Leaders Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

I thought, hey, I'll try the Au 208 game. And I'll play the Mongols on Regent.

So there I am, 4 cities founded before making contact with anyone (got 3 techs and a settler from huts). Of course, then I'm at war with 2 nations within a turn of meeting them. Wonderful... I have archers...

So I head on up to the first civ and begin my battles. 2nd attack gives me a GL and for the first time I get to name my units. Very cool I think. So my leader heads home and builds the Pyramids all by himself.

3 more battles and I have a 2nd GL! Even more wow... so he heads back and builds an army 'cause I don't want to waste him on the Collosus which is the only wonder I can build.

My next battle? ANOTHER GL! Wow... I send him home and save him while I try to fend off the other civ that has marched down to beat me up. Then I rush the Great Library with him which is very exciting...

So then my defending elite spear generates a 4th GL!!!!!! I'm not kidding. I haven't had 4 GL in total before this game!

So, why is this sucky you ask? Because I'm trying to play that stupid AU 208 and I can't stand the frustration of it 'cause I waited too long to take out the civ to my NE and now all I can do is keep up my defence... can't make enough troops with 4 towns to launch an offensive and I loose about 1 unit per turn in defensive battles. And they've just trashed my roads so I can't get to my Western city fast enough to assist it's defence against that other civ.

So, for the 1st time I get a plethora of GLs and they're no use to me 'cause I can't continue this game 'cause I'm gonna get crushed!!!!

(and a Q while I'm here... how do you use resources that are on a different landmass if that resource is within your borders? Is there a tech/city improvement other than harbors you have to have first?)

	11-06-2003 21:51									#2
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You need to have a Harbor on both land masses and they need to have "line of sight". That is you need to be able to use the tiles in between. This means if they are sea tiles, no problems, but if they are ocean you will need to have astrom (I think that is the tech).
You could also do it with airports, but that is a bit late for AU208.
You should post this in the spoiler thread for au208.

	12-06-2003 01:31									#3
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Does AU 208 increase the odds of GL's?

Too many leaders sounds like a good thing, almost. I'm playing a game now where I have them coming every 5 or 6 turns(lots of fighting ). The good news is that I'm able to build every available wonder almost immediately after I discover the tech(no wonders for the AI ). The bad news is that the city I build them in (my capitol) is 4 turns away which means that(in theory) many possibly GL-generating battles are 'vasted'

Remember that your trade lines can only go where your ships can stay. Before astronomy(or the lighthouse) enemy territory and units(including barbarians) will interrupt your trade lines.

	12-06-2003 02:15									#4
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quote: Originally posted by bongo Does AU 208 increase the odds of GL's?

Only in that you are alway or nearly alway at war and if you picked a military civ.
I say nearly as I two got peace for a time when all the civs I knew were eliminated, so I have no one to be at war with for a time.

	12-06-2003 21:32									#5
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I was the Zulu one game and I won about 15 battles with elite and I didn't get a leader.

	13-06-2003 00:33									#6
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That's normal isn't it? Whatever the odds you are not guaranteed anything.

	13-06-2003 01:17									#7
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What is AU 208? Is it a scenario?

	13-06-2003 02:59									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Falconius What is AU 208? Is it a scenario?

It is a scenario created for the Apolyton University.
208 is the course number, cute huh.
It is an extreme map and you are required to declare war at the first contact with any civ and never accept peace.

	13-06-2003 03:02									#9
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quote: Originally posted by johncmcleod I was the Zulu one game and I won about 15 battles with elite and I didn't get a leader.

Don't feel bad, I just finished AU401 at monarch level as Cleo and I got my first leader in 1730 AD and only got one more in the whole game. This is the lowest numner I have ever seen.