15-06-2003 00:10									#31
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker ...of...chess? Don't forget the last part

Hmm, it's been awhile since I watched it I guess.

	15-06-2003 02:47									#32
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IMHO sabotaging individual units would be quite realistic, im not sure it would work well but it'd still be realistic. Thats where most terror attacks are rooted. not huge assaults like september 11th but small attacks that take place almost everyday in the middle east.

	15-06-2003 02:54									#33
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Back on topic now.
Sabotaging units sounds like a good idea, but I don't know how it could be added in (or if it would). A spy gives you a "head count" for the AI armies, but it doesn't tell you where they are located so they would have to add something like that in before you could sabotage an individual unit with the espionage screen.
Actually there is a form of unit sabotage already in with the bombard abilities of the catapult chain. It's not really a "terrorism" sabotage though, since it's military.

	15-06-2003 11:59									#34
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Nope.... like in Civilization2.
You pick the city to practice a "Unit Sobotage"!!!!

Remember all: In Civ2 you also had the possibility to bribe enemy units...
Good old times!

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	15-06-2003 12:10									#35
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Ahh, hadn't thought about that. It's been quite a while since I last played Civ2 (4 years at least, it was around the time Call To Power came out and I can't remember when that was).

	15-06-2003 18:27									#36
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unit sabotage is hardly possible in real life... except if you blow up a tank factory or some other recruiting facilities... which would be an improvement sabotage.

cronos: bribing was cool, but totally overpowered. i used to send my spies onto another island, bribe a settler and build a city. that was the easiest way of conquering a continent. now it's more difficult with the culture borders (by the time of espionage, the continent is usually fully covered...)

	15-06-2003 23:48									#37
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf unit sabotage is hardly possible in real life... except if you blow up a tank factory or some other recruiting facilities... which would be an improvement sabotage. cronos: bribing was cool, but totally overpowered. i used to send my spies onto another island, bribe a settler and build a city. that was the easiest way of conquering a continent. now it's more difficult with the culture borders (by the time of espionage, the continent is usually fully covered...)

hi ,

resistance fighters , look at the vc in vietnam , or WWII , higly effective , ....

cutting trees to block a road , placing mines on roads , blowing up railroads , etc , ....

blowing up railroads should , could be in the game , ....

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	16-06-2003 00:12									#38
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quote: blowing up railroads should , could be in the game

Blowing up railroads is in the game, only it's done through pillaging and bombardment.

	16-06-2003 00:20									#39
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi Blowing up railroads is in the game, only it's done through pillaging and bombardment.

hi ,

not as a subversive action , ..... it should be done true the intel agency , .....

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	16-06-2003 00:26									#40
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That's what I want to do, pay 1600 gold to blow up one tile of railroad "Safely"

	17-06-2003 03:05									#41
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi That's what I want to do, pay 1600 gold to blow up one tile of railroad "Safely"

hi ,

, no , lets say 400 , .....

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	17-06-2003 03:34									#42
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Then make a no-attack no-defense, Hidden Nationality unit that can pillage and call it the Saboteur or something.

	17-06-2003 03:39									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Solomwi That's what I want to do, pay 1600 gold to blow up one tile of railroad "Safely"

"sire, our saboteur was caught after destroying a railroad track. the japanese have launched 10 ICBMs as retaliation


however... this thing could be interesting for "destroying" a luxury or strategic resource (it could either disappear forever, or relocate like in some random cases especially with iron and coal)

	17-06-2003 03:40									#44
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quote: Originally posted by skywalker Then make a no-attack no-defense, Hidden Nationality unit that can pillage and call it the Saboteur or something.

tried that once... gave the explorer 'hidden nationality' ... the AI hardly used this in the right way ...

	17-06-2003 03:49									#45
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hi ,

been thinking a while about the price , in war or even in peace blowing up the right railroad and road of a tile with a strategic resource or lux could change for a number of turns the game , ......

so why not pay 1000 or so if you know that because of that the enemy or your target cant build lets say nukes , ....... thats a cheap price , .....

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	17-06-2003 03:53									#46
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panag: as of the industrial age, a road is built in maximal 2 turns, 1st to move the worker(s) there, 2nd to build the road...
1000 would be acceptable if you could pollute that tile (3 basic (non-industrious) worker turns for clear pollution)

	17-06-2003 03:53									#47
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quote: tried that once... gave the explorer 'hidden nationality' ... the AI hardly used this in the right way ...

That's the problem with a lot of our ideas. On another thread I had an idea for introducing subversion tactics to create enmity between AI civs. Right now you have to go to war with one and draw another civ in to get them to attack each other. The problem with that is that the AI wouldn't use it very well. As much as I don't like "AI cheating" I want the AI to provide me a challenge and if I can do something that they can't then it's unbalancing in my favor.

	17-06-2003 04:02									#48
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quote: Originally posted by sabrewolf panag: as of the industrial age, a road is built in maximal 2 turns, 1st to move the worker(s) there, 2nd to build the road... 1000 would be acceptable if you could pollute that tile (3 basic (non-industrious) worker turns for clear pollution)

hi ,

the workers have to be moved first , ...

and often the AI does not bring them out to fix them during a conflict , ......

not to mention that its sometimes only a delay of a couple turns that you need , nothing more , ......

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	17-06-2003 04:27									#49
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Panag:

Hey this is the name of a model... no?

http://www.gulpanag.com/

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	17-06-2003 04:38									#50
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quote: Originally posted by cronos_qc Panag: Hey this is the name of a model... no? See ya!!!

hi ,

what does the topic say , .....

and what the heck does my name have to do with that , ..... nothing , absolutely nothing

and no , if you would read right you would see there is a difference in the name , .....

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	17-06-2003 06:37									#51
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Im ok with adding terrorists, as long as a headcount is kept of everyone I kill

	17-06-2003 08:34									#52
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quote: Originally posted by cronos_qc Panag: Hey this is the name of a model... no? http://www.gulpanag.com/ See ya!!!

And you felt compelled to post this WHY?

Any more crap like this and you are toast...

See ya!!! and have a nice day...

	17-06-2003 08:54									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Romanus Im ok with adding terrorists, as long as a headcount is kept of everyone I kill

That would be fun!

	17-06-2003 10:14									#54
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quote: And you felt compelled to post this WHY?

I just respond to that, since this is a question:

Since i see "panag" here each day, and i keep asking myself what is "panag"? And I've decided to ask him... but why this is an offense? I dont even know what is panag... And something else, this is not crap to know why this guy take panag for name...

So that'it... but I understand this was off-topic...

	17-06-2003 10:42									#55
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You could ask in your own thread... in the community or OT forum

	17-06-2003 10:46									#56
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What if I were to ask... what is a cronos_qc and then provide a link to some sick racist site... would you be offended?

Stay on topic... and stop the silly games.

	17-06-2003 10:48									#57
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**** i never see it was racist so sorry about all this, i've never read the website, i just know Panag the model by name after a search on google, i've copy paste the link to the site i was sure this was his official website.I know this is more off topic, but i wanna make sure ot people here it was not intentional

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	17-06-2003 14:47									#58
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I think the barbs should be the modern day version of terrorists, this way they would have a better and longer impact on the game, I also wish they could capture cities latter on in the game

	17-06-2003 15:25									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Romanus Im ok with adding terrorists, as long as a headcount is kept of everyone I kill

hi ,

, do you remember the casualty timeline from civ II , .....

that it self should be brought back , but it would also be nice to see one for the intel agency , ......

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