12-06-2003 01:52									#1
	Terrorism should be incorporated in C3: Conquests Remove this text

I feel that, even though we all hate terrorism, it is a part of human civilization. The game boasts an incredibly true-to-life basis, so it should indeed incorporate one of the greatest modern threats.

Now I'm not saying that it should be a technological advance; far from it. Perhaps it could be incorporated in Nationalism as another espionage tactic, or fall under governments, or something like that.

It was taken out after September 11th. I feel that it should be put back in.

	12-06-2003 02:00									#2
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i think an espionage act works well, as getting caught lowers your image or using hidden nationality units.

	12-06-2003 02:42									#3
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Why not have barbarians become terrorists in the modern era? They could run into a city (Using a horse or car or something) and recruit civs and run off with them etc..

	12-06-2003 02:55									#4
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Espionage work good, since we all know that's terrorism is financed by country in 90% of time...
But maybe a better espionnage system can be good.

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	12-06-2003 03:12									#5
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Would all governments be able to support terrorism? If any western democracy in this day and age were found to support terrorism, there would be severe social chaos.

	12-06-2003 03:33									#6
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How do you 'find' a country supporting terrorism? You dont really, you only support terrorism if 1-2 superpowers say you do

	12-06-2003 08:29									#7
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Well...they'd have to make it a bit more gameworthy

	12-06-2003 10:40									#8
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Fundamentalist gov't should be able to support terrorist groups. It's an essential part of world politics/diplomacy in the last years.

So long....

	12-06-2003 13:55									#9
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous The game boasts an incredibly true-to-life basis

civ3 is a fantasy game with some similarities to reality

still terrorism would be fun

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	12-06-2003 15:24									#10
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well the only reality in civ3 is that ppl live in cities


terrorism will be good like you can finance your own group and plan to crash a plain in a WTC( they can add it as a small wonder so everyone can build and get it destroyed)

	12-06-2003 21:16									#11
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quote: Originally posted by The Emperor Fabulous If any western democracy in this day and age were found to support terrorism, there would be severe social chaos.

That's either an incredibly optimistic outlook, or incredibly naive.

	12-06-2003 21:46									#12
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terrorism is already in civ 3 to a certain extent. if you go to the espionage screen you see sabotage work. what do you think that means? the shields just disappear? my hoover dam walls just go "poof" and are gone? um no, they get blown up or destroyed in some kind of brutal manner, cuz last time i checked magic wasnt in this game so the walls dont disappear by some form of magic

I believe that barbs should become terrorist units and upgrade along with the weakest civ. i.e. germany is the least technologically advanced civ. all they have are cavalry therefore all barbs become cavalry, that would be better than warriors in 2020 AD.

	12-06-2003 22:16									#13
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quote: cuz last time i checked magic wasnt in this game so the walls dont disappear by some form of magic

I really doubt it... i'm sure magic is in the game ...

	12-06-2003 22:55									#14
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in all reality what more do you need for terrorism? i.e. you have a nice space shuttle hull almost completed and then in a single turn its gone. that sounds pretty terrorizing to me, just my opinion tho

if you want more destruction from terrorism tho, i could see for espionage, a separate command such as "plant terrorist" and then the terrorist would have separate commands such as "destroy population"- that would kill one pop. unit, "destroy city improvement"-destroys random city improvement, and "destroy wonder"-destroys random city wonder that already exists

of course these would be more costly than using spies. perhaps 4000gp to destroy a wonder with a 35% chance of success. but still these are just my opinions, but like i said i think there is enough terrorism as is

	13-06-2003 03:08									#15
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quote: Originally posted by BulMaster terrorism will be good like you can finance your own group and plan to crash a plain in a WTC( they can add it as a small wonder so everyone can build and get it destroyed)

cheers

	13-06-2003 04:08									#16
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Yes, it should be in; no, it won't be in. The sensitivity is still there. Plus, how would they advertise it? "Engage in international terrorism"?

	13-06-2003 04:42									#17
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And sometime your own terrorism groups rebels against theirs financor and attack him (like for the taliban and u.s.a.)!!...

Last edited by cronos_qc on 13-06-2003 at 05:03

	13-06-2003 17:00									#18
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i thought i had established the fact that terrorism is already in the game.

its fine the way it is, just leave it. to make it any more complex would be programming hell, especially when trying to balance the game. this is really a done deal. its in the game now, so that should be good enough

	14-06-2003 04:11									#19
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terrorism what most of you are thinking of is historicly meaningless. although nearly 3000 people died in the attacks in sep 2001 (and in the counter attacks 300'000), these numbers aren't anything.

in WW1 there was the battle at the Somme (a french river) where an estimated 1/4 to 1/2 million people died in just a few days. in WW2 russians and germans lots several million soldiers in just a few months.
the pest killed nearly half of continental europe's population.
... as long as these things aren't in the game, terrorism isn't worth mentioning. it's mainly a psychological effect, in absolute numbers it's nothing...

maybe bring back civ2's "poison water supply"?

btw: guerilla are called terrorists since 2001... they're in the game

	14-06-2003 08:42									#20
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hi ,

it would be great but somehow there is the feeling that this is either for another XP or civ4 , ....

maybe a mod or scenario , but not in Conquests , .....

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	14-06-2003 18:45									#21
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thank you sabrewolf, you must be the only person on this forum who realizes terrorism is worthless and already in the game

	14-06-2003 20:30									#22
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quote: Originally posted by cookieman thank you sabrewolf, you must be the only person on this forum who realizes terrorism is worthless and already in the game

Yeah it's already there. Several of the options you get when you build an Intelligence Agency could be considered terrorism. It's just very cost ineffective and more often than not fails. So very few people I know of actually use it.

	14-06-2003 20:59									#23
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We've already got some terrorism, like cookiedude said. That plus "Poison Water Supply" and maybe a planted Terrorist like you would plant a Spy or Embassy would work for me.

However, it's very unlikely that we'll be getting it. The market is still sensitive. [c3c ad]"Engage in your own international terrorism! Bomb the United Nations! Bring Civilization to a screeching halt!"

	14-06-2003 21:22									#24
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell [c3c ad]"Engage in your own international terrorism! Bomb the United Nations! Bring Civilization to a screeching halt!"

I'm sure THAT would go over well. Pretty soon we have the FBI knocking on the doors of Civ players wondering what it is we're actually doing. Remember the movie Wargames?

	14-06-2003 22:52									#25
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that was a great movie!

	14-06-2003 23:28									#26
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Computers and computer games have definitely made significant strides since that movie.

	14-06-2003 23:32									#27
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Skywalker is right...

"NEW IN CIVILIZATION 3: CONQUESTS! USE TERRORISM TO DESTROY YOUR ENEMIES FROM WITHIN!"

	14-06-2003 23:49									#28
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hi ,

poison the food or water from city X , depending on the size of the city it could kill 5-25% , cost should be related to the city size and wheter or not there is a police station there , .......

the sabotage of units would be great , .....

have a nice day

	14-06-2003 23:50									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Rhothaerill Would...you...like...to...play...a...game

...of...chess?

Don't forget the last part

	14-06-2003 23:51									#30
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yep specially sabotage of ICBM!!

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