12-06-2003 05:48									#31
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quote: Originally posted by elijah Why is there that fossil gap between 100'000 and 300'000 years? I guess this makes us a very young species, which is ...weird.

Well, there isn't now so much of a gap, as this find is 160,000 years old.

Most of the species alive today are young. That's due to the nature of evolution/extinction and such. We do have some very ancient species (sharks, for example), but even they aren't unchanged from their ancestors (unless you come across a megalodon at some point, which we all hope never happens).

The answer is that it is one of the truths of anthropology that there are certain periods wherein we have gaps in the fossil record, and this is true over all time periods, and more prevalent the farther back you go. Out of a time span of maybe 3 billion years of life on the planet, a gap of 100,000 or so years is pretty small.

	12-06-2003 05:50									#32
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quote: That's one area that I plan on staying ingorant on for as long as possible.

Fearing death is irrational. Death would logically be the same state as pre-birth. I don't remember that as being so bad. Most likely, death will be an infinitely long sleep. A total state of non-consciousness. But I agree that since we're alive, we should at least learn as much as possible and live our lives to the fullest.

quote: Can I get a "Hallelujah?"

I'll give you a "w00t w00t!", but that's it.

	12-06-2003 05:55									#33
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quote: The team concluded, "In this sense, we are all African."

so....

YO YO YO muthafukah! Respect this shiznit... don't be a playa hatah!


(I know, I know, it's just "Ghetto". Let me have my fun)

	12-06-2003 06:08									#34
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you a whacked out cracka

	12-06-2003 06:11									#35
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quote: Originally posted by Lonestar so.... YO YO YO muthafukah! Respect this shiznit... don't be a playa hatah! (I know, I know, it's just "Ghetto". Let me have my fun)

holla back yo!

	12-06-2003 06:14									#36
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And...that's enough of that.

	12-06-2003 07:15									#37
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov And...that's enough of that.

don't hate the playa, hate the game... foo!@

	12-06-2003 08:13									#38
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Good find, but we need more fossils from the 300-000 to 150,000 range. But what's interesting about the article is that some of the scientists conclude this is another nail in the Neandertal-Cro-Magnon evolutionary connection. Think about that! If older anatomically ~modern humans speak against a connection to Neandertals, why do these scientists still claim we evolved from homo erectus? They've discovered homo erectus fossils in Indonesia dated to as recently as ~40,000 years old!!! Something strange happened in East Africa around 250,000 years ago, and according to a Zulu medicine man, humans - the "artifical ones" - were fighting against the "ape"men in the "mythic" past...

	12-06-2003 12:30									#39
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You meant the Java Man?

Of course, there's also the Peking Man.

	12-06-2003 13:45									#40
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No, Java Man was the name given to Dubois'(?) find long ago that first showed homo erectus made it to Indonesia. The fossil evidence for Indonesia so far shows erectus in stasis from the time they arrived to as recently as ~40,000 years ago while Africa was seeing a variety of archaic peoples diverging away from erectus around 200,000-300,000 years ago with anatomically modern humans appearing ~120,000 years ago.

	12-06-2003 14:00									#41
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Slightly off-topic, about Genesis: a few years ago, I was talking to a catholic priest. Someone asked how does he explain the fact that geologists say Earth is a few billion years old and the Bible says in was all made in 6 days. I remember his words exactly: "Yes, the Bible does say Creation took 6 days, but it doesn't say that one of those days lasted for 24 hours". So, unless the Pope says otherwise, I'll stick to that.

Disclaimer: by this I did not mean to start a holy war/crusade/jihad (tm), just to state a fact. Thank you for your attention.

	12-06-2003 14:31									#42
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It's true that recent specimens of Homo Erectus have apparently been found, but that doesn't mean that Sapiens didn't evolve from Erectus. There is no "law" which says that an ancestor species must become extinct when a new species evolves from it. Pockets of the older species can survive in isolated areas.

	12-06-2003 14:55									#43
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quote: "Yes, the Bible does say Creation took 6 days, but it doesn't say that one of those days lasted for 24 hours".

The word for "day" in Genesis is used in other places when talking about days as we know them.

Jack, that's true, but they can't find serious evidence of ANY homo erectus outside of Africa "evolving" into more modern peoples except for Neandertals which arrived in Europe ~750,000 years ago (under a different classification of course), and their main improvement was brain size. If anything, Neandertals were even more heavily built than erectus. Only in Africa do we see this divergence of archaic humans and this happened 100,000-300,000 years ago.

	12-06-2003 15:23									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Dr. A. Cula Slightly off-topic, about Genesis: a few years ago, I was talking to a catholic priest. Someone asked how does he explain the fact that geologists say Earth is a few billion years old and the Bible says in was all made in 6 days. I remember his words exactly: "Yes, the Bible does say Creation took 6 days, but it doesn't say that one of those days lasted for 24 hours". So, unless the Pope says otherwise, I'll stick to that. Disclaimer: by this I did not mean to start a holy war/crusade/jihad (tm), just to state a fact. Thank you for your attention.

If a "day" in Genesis means like, oh, 300,000,000 years, then you should ask the priest how, according to the order of creation, day and night appeared before we had the sun, and during the period sans sun, how the plants photosynthesized.

	12-06-2003 17:07									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov If one takes a literal interpretation of the Bible, and traces the geneologies and time frame given for specified events (Tower of Babel, Flood, etc), it's feasible to approximate that Genesis begins roughly 8-10 thousand years ago.

Ah yes, the great Bishop Ussher provided much entertainment in first year Geology class. Is teaching Creationism compulsory in these classes in the US too?

Yes indeed, from taking every reference in the Bible at face value (whatsit begat thingummy and suchlike), he decided that the first day of Creation was exactly Sunday October 23 4004 BC. I know Star Trek fans who do the same thing with Voyager. I guess that makes the good Bishop the original fanboy.

quote: Originally posted by Sava don't hate the playa, hate the game... foo!@

Hey, I can dig it.






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	12-06-2003 23:33									#46
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Why on earth would a species of homo end up being the same everywhere on the Eurasian continent?

There was a species of homo? I bet they died out quickly.

	12-06-2003 23:36									#47
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quote: There was a species of homo? I bet they died out quickly.

Nah, Boris is still here

	13-06-2003 08:30									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Caligastia There was a species of homo? I bet they died out quickly.

Aren't you one?

	13-06-2003 08:36									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger Aren't you one?

I hope you're not serious. Perhaps your humor is just incredibly dry...yes, that's it.

	13-06-2003 08:55									#50
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I still wonder about those that advocate for a multiple creation theory: I have never ehard anyone even try to claim for example that all brown bears are not the decendents of one population, but of several pre-brown bears that for some reason all decided to end up as the same species.

That reminds me of the creationist defence that while all type of bears (for example) may have come from an ancestral bear, they couldn't have come from anything beyond that because you can only change within the species. In other words, bears can change as much as they like, but they were always 'bears'. It's like there's this imaginary invisible line that evolution cannot cross, as it must stop at words like 'bear' and 'horse'