13-06-2003 20:39									#61
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I don't think it's the end of the world, but I also don't think it's normal to have physical fights with coworkers or acceptable. I have never had a physical fight on the job. It would be unacceptable at most places thatI work.

	13-06-2003 20:44									#62
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But haven't there been some people where you really wanted to kick their ass square?

	13-06-2003 20:46									#63
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Yeah, but GP is a civilized sort... unlike Bill Clinton .

	13-06-2003 21:11									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: So Edwards wanted to speak without any time left, but asked to do so anyway. So Clinton uses the opportunity for a snyde remark. OooooOOOOOooooh. What will the evil demon do next? As Adam Smith pointed out, that wasn't exactly a classy move by the Senator.

As opposed to the class it takes to say something like, you hope lightning will strike someone before they can join the Senate (Lott), or that we should have elected Segregationists?

Keep in mind the one I posted was a biased editorial too. I bet the truth is that she made it as a joke, and Edwards took it as such, smiled and left. Is this really something to get worked up over?

Hillary is dishonest to the extent all politicians are dishonest, yes. I don't like it, but I see no reason to single her out for particular rancor. Paranoid? I think she's justified. Just look at the lengths the Republicans went to in the Whitewater investigation (which yielded NOTHING) and such, as well as the rightwing interests that kept pushing for all those millions of dollars in investigations for the sole purpose of defaming the Clintons as much as possible. When you've got people accusing you of murdering longtime friends (Foster), and even hawking video tapes accusing you of such, I think one can use the term "witch hunt" accurately enough.

Not charismatic? Malarky. I've met her and heard her speak, and she is far more charismatic than your average pol. She comes across as genuine, compassionate and down-to-earth. She's no Bill Clinton, true, but she's no Nixon either, not by a longshot.

	14-06-2003 01:36									#65
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I do not think all politicians are equally dishonest, nor is unfair to criticize dishonesty. And I beleive that character is an important part of leadership. And honesty is critical.

Everybody does it, won't wash.

	14-06-2003 01:57									#66
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quote: Originally posted by Sava The only woman in politics that I think would truly do good by being the first woman president is Nancy Pelosi.

Pelosi's a spineless weasel.

	14-06-2003 02:02									#67
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quote: Originally posted by GP It's ok to tackle people if you're a successful Democrat. It's only worng if you're a Republican. Heck it's ok to kill your lover and dump her in Rock Creek Park.

As opposed to the Republican Congressman from Florida who had an aide turn up dead in his office? Yes, but we were too busy hearing about Condit, who, it turns out, was totally innocent.

So, yes, GP, you missed something. They caught man who had attacked and raped several women in the park right near where they found Levi's body and he is now the only suspect.

	14-06-2003 02:03									#68
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quote: Originally posted by GP I don't have a problem with her sticking by Bill. I just have a problem with the lying.

Do you have a problem with George Bush Jr lying, now that it's obvious he lied about Iraq's weapons of mass disappearance? Hell, even the CIA is saynig we tried to tell them the truth, they didn't want to hear it.

	14-06-2003 03:34									#69
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If he deliberately lied, yes I do have a problem with it. See, I'm not like a Leninist who thinks the truth is whatever serves my cause.

	14-06-2003 03:36									#70
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Do you have a problem with George Bush Jr lying, now that it's obvious he lied about Iraq's weapons of mass disappearance? Hell, even the CIA is saynig we tried to tell them the truth, they didn't want to hear it.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dy...ml?nav=hptop_tb

"People who say there are no weapons are going to be quite embarrassed within weeks or months, when the material comes out," the high-ranking official said. He said that "there are things we are finding that are in train," under preparation for public disclosure, but he declined to elaborate.

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Then again that might not mean anything.. But I think it does..

	14-06-2003 03:37									#71
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara As opposed to the Republican Congressman from Florida who had an aide turn up dead in his office? Yes, but we were too busy hearing about Condit, who, it turns out, was totally innocent. So, yes, GP, you missed something. They caught man who had attacked and raped several women in the park right near where they found Levi's body and he is now the only suspect.

Unless they have confirmed that this man did, I don't see how you can rule out Condit. Are you saying that all deaths in that sector of DC can be positively proved to be from this guy? Most murders are not by strangers but by people who know the victim.

I was teasing with the Condit comment. But you are (as usual...you meathead) off-base in exonerating him before we know more.

	14-06-2003 04:41									#72
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Do you have a problem with George Bush Jr lying, now that it's obvious he lied about Iraq's weapons of mass disappearance? Hell, even the CIA is saynig we tried to tell them the truth, they didn't want to hear it.

Damn straight! If the president knowingly lied about Iraqs WMD I would support his impeachment. And therein lies the rub, I dont see that liberals are willing to do the same to their heros i.e. the Clintons.

So far, of course, there is no evidence of his lying. Just media hype over a CIA document that was clearly cited out of context.

	14-06-2003 08:42									#73
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...could you stop acting as if Hillary actually wrote the damned book?

quote: It Takes a Village to Write a Hillary Book: Last year, we pointed out that Hillary Rodham Clinton was lying when she claimed to be the author of "It Takes a Village," which was actually penned by a ghostwriter named Barbara Feinman Todd. Specifically, we noted last year, "Hillary's official U.S. Senate biography states, 'In 1997, she wrote the best-selling book It Takes a Village.' This is an outright lie. Wouldn't it be a nice gesture if official Senate biographies did not contain lies?" Clinton's current Senate biography repeats the lie that she wrote "It Takes a Village," while going on to assert that Clinton "also wrote 'Dear Socks, Dear Buddy: Kids Letters to the First Pets.' Comes now "Living History," another book "by" Hillary Clinton. Once again, Clinton is presented as the author of what is actually a ghosted book. The world learned that Barbara Feinman Todd wrote "It Takes a Village," because the publisher inadvertently issued a press release announcing the true author; Hillary threw an ego fit and demanded that all reference to Todd's existence be removed from the book and its press materials, which was presented to the world as if it were the product solely of Clinton's late-night labors. This time around, the pages of "Living History" thank three people -- the much-admired former White House speech writer Alison Muscatine, veteran ghost Maryanne Vollers and researcher Ruby Shamir -- who are assumed to be the actual authors. But the cover and the frontispiece still boldly state, "by Hillary Rodham Clinton." "Living History" is a 562-page book. A work of that length would take an average writer perhaps four years to produce; a highly proficient writer might finish in two years, if working on nothing else. Clinton signed the contract to "write" the book about two years ago. About the same time, she also was sworn in as a member of the United States Senate. Clinton took an oath to protect the Constitution and to serve the citizens of New York. So in the last two years Clinton has either been neglecting her duties as a United States Senator -- that is, violating her oath -- in order to be the true author of "Living History," or she is claiming authorship of someone else's work. Considering that Clinton has made almost daily public appearances during the period when she was supposedly feverishly "writing" her book, let's make a wild guess which explanation pertains. Perhaps you're thinking, "But all people who reach the limelight lie about being authors." No, they don't. Consider that the previous book project of Maryanne Vollers, one of Hillary's ghosts, was about Jerri Nielsen, the doctor who had to be airlifted out of Antarctica. How was that book presented? As "Ice Bound: A Doctor's Incredible Battle for Survival at the South Pole" by Jerri Nielsen with Maryanne Vollers. No lying about the true author. We wonder how Sen. Clinton found the time to write a 562-page book. Consider that John McCain's autobiographical work, "Faith of My Fathers," proclaims on its cover "by Mark Salter, with John McCain." The true author's name is there for everyone to see, and this neither detracts from sales nor causes anyone to think any less of McCain. Famous people who care about their honor, like McCain, freely acknowledge using ghostwriters -- this is called "honesty." Famous people with serious ego problems, or who don't care about their honor, lie about being authors. As for Hillary's presidential aspirations, voters have on occasion elected presidents who turned out to be liars, such as Richard Nixon, and lived to regret it. If voters choose a president whom they know in advance to be liar, woe onto the voters.

You'd expect this from Newsmax, or National Review or a conservative site, but it came from ESPN, hardly a conservative outfit.

	14-06-2003 09:07									#74
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why do we still give a **** about the clintons?

	14-06-2003 17:56									#75
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Because Hilary Clinton has a shot at being president and we disagree as to to the importance of her (lack of) ethics.