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Bereta_Eder is offline Bereta_Eder
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but she always steals my time
she's the kind of a girl
that if you gave her the world
she'd say it wasn't worth a dime
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which song is this please? I;ve been trying to find out some time ago with no luck.

and the band s'il vous plait.

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She Gives me Love (The Godfathers)

Now you have to say something good about the UK as payment.

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Got spare money?

I'll willing to bet he likes our Elgin Marbles.

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why?

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parthenon marbles. elgin didnt make them he just took them.

or if you really need an alternative phydias marbles.

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why?
Because I said so.

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I'll willing to bet he likes our Elgin Marbles.


Saw those at the British Museum during my trip. Glad somebody is bothering to keep the antiquities safe, clean and in good shape. Just look at the Parthenon...










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ah a very good reason to just write you off then


why did i have the impression it was a the who song?

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why did i have the impression it was a the who song?
Because you're an ignorant hairy greek.

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actually the parthenon marbles have been partially destroyed in the british museum as said to their credit by british archeologists. they "scratched" them and bleeched them and took away their natural brown coloration. not to mention the damage from being removing from the parthenon.

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Because you're an ignorant hairy greek.


you're just jealous

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Yes, the cleaning in the 1930s was quite unfortunate. Terrible, stupid mistake.

But, had Elgin not acted as he did, they likely would not even be around anymore, or would have significantly worse damage.

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not really considering the part of the parthenon marbles that he did leave inplace are faring much better than the ones in the british museum.

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But, had Elgin not acted as he did, they likely would not even be around anymore, or would have significantly worse damage.
Given that the Acropolis was twice beseiged during thier war of independence, that's a very likely scenario.

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Given that the Acropolis was twice beseiged during thier war of independence, that's a very likely scenario.


Precisely.

Although, the British Museum did little to help its cause of retaining the marbles when they abruptly cancelled ther conference to discuss them for extremely petty and suspect reasons.

I suspect they will eventually be returned, albeit some time in the future.

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The year is 1821. Greeks are fighting for their independence. In Athens, they besiege the Acropolis, a stronghold of the Turkish occupiers. As the siege grinds on, the Turks' ammunition runs short. They begin to dismantle sections of the Parthenon, prying out the 2,300-year-old lead clamps and melting them down for bullets. The Greek fighters, horrified at this defacement of their patrimony, send the Turks a supply of bullets. Better to arm their foes, they decide, than to let the ancient temple come to harm.

http://www.museum-security.org/reports/004199.html



you are ignorant and I bet damn hairy dinodocy.



to supply you with info the worse damage done to the parthenon was by an italian bombardment. (which shows how much italiannavy generals respected culture )

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but i let you figure out when that was done and by whom.

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I suspect they will eventually be returned, albeit some time in the future.


maybe maybe not.


the problem is not the british people but the museum and the fear that thei return would open up pandora's box for petitions of return from egypt ect etc and further petitions for other items and from other museums as well.

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nto to mention that the most valuable artifact of the britishmuseum will be gone of course.

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You've lost your marbles. Get over it. Maybe you can talk them into providing you with a cement replica.

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The year is 1821. Greeks are fighting for their independence. In Athens, they besiege the Acropolis, a stronghold of the Turkish occupiers. As the siege grinds on, the Turks' ammunition runs short. They begin to dismantle sections of the Parthenon, prying out the 2,300-year-old lead clamps and melting them down for bullets. The Greek fighters, horrified at this defacement of their patrimony, send the Turks a supply of bullets. Better to arm their foes, they decide, than to let the ancient temple come to harm.

http://www.museum-security.org/reports/004199.html



you are ignorant and I bet damn hairy dinodocy.



to supply you with info the worse damage done to the parthenon was by an italian bombardment. (which shows how much italiannavy generals respected culture )


Nobody accused the Greeks of being responsible for the damage to the Parthenon. Just that it WAS damaged by someone, so the marbles were better off being elsewhere.

As fo the BM losing its most valuable artifact...who can lay claim to the Rosetta Stone?

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It was damaged by looters and the bombardment. However that was a facade of the temple and not the parthenon marbles. So unless elgin took the whole temple off the ground I dont see how this helped

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also i believe it is a bit hypocritical to attribute to elgin virtues he never had such as the intend to protect the marbles.

he simply had them removed to adorn his garden at scotland since he thought they were cute. and when he died he donated them to the british museum.

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also i believe it is a bit hypocritical to attribute to elgin virtues he never had such as the intend to protect the marbles.


Who ascribed such virtues to him?

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You've lost your marbles. Get over it. Maybe you can talk them into providing you with a cement replica.



what would be the use of that?

and why should we get over it?

quote:
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coming to think about it, noone - you're right

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As fo the BM losing its most valuable artifact...who can lay claim to the Rosetta Stone?

Egypt, of course.

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Egypt, of course.
Why not France?

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Cetaintly not Mississipi at any rate.

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Egypt, of course.


Bah, current Egyptians don't have relations with ancient ones!

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Don't know about that. But I remember when visiting the Louvre at Paris, whose basements are filled with all sorts of antiquities there was an Egyptian who kept saying "thieves".

 
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