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Panzer32
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Queens University, Kingston, Ontario
Oct 2002
time: 00:28
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Session Start: Thu Jun 12 14:02:06 2003
Session Ident: #gow
[14:02] * Now talking in #gow
[14:02] * Topic is 'The Glory Of Chat '
[14:02] * Set by MasterZen on Fri May 30 17:56:10
[14:02] [Panzer_32] hello
[14:02] [MasterZen] hey
[14:02] * MasterZen sets mode: +o Panzer_32
[14:02] [MasterZen] right on time 
[14:02] [Panzer_32] I was able to get home earlier, so I'm here
[14:02] [[ND]Borc] hi panzer!
[14:02] * MasterZen thinks Panzer skipped school for the chat
[14:02] [[ND]Borc] we still wait a bit for darekill if you don't mind?
[14:02] [MasterZen] sure, NP
[14:03] [Panzer_32] MZ, clear out your PM box
[14:03] [MasterZen] oops :P
[14:05] * [ND]Darekill has joined #GoW
[14:05] [Panzer_32] did you guys have the 3 way chat with RP, or did that not happen?
[14:05] [MasterZen] nope
[14:05] [Panzer_32] hey Darekill
[14:05] [MasterZen] hey!
[14:05] [MasterZen] but RP was expecting it
[14:05] [[ND]Darekill] hello...
[14:06] [MasterZen] in fact they even made a room for that chat
[14:06] [MasterZen] and BigFree saw Borc and Zayxus in the general channel when they logged in
[14:07] [MasterZen] so I'm thinking that perhaps one of you (Darekill) should join that channel and talk some stuff just so we don't get them suspicious
[14:07] [[ND]Borc] do you have somebody there?
[14:07] [MasterZen] channel is PTWDGConference password: Together
[14:07] [MasterZen] yep, I'm in
[14:07] [MasterZen] Togas and BigFree too
[14:08] [[ND]Darekill] Hmmm. the problem is, i don't have to much time today i just declared war on borc and Zayxus...
[14:08] [MasterZen] hahahaha
[14:08] [[ND]Borc]  )
[14:08] [MasterZen] Borc? you want to join?
[14:09] [[ND]Darekill] in our Forum DG of course 
[14:09] [[ND]Borc] i can go there, but i will ask them for a nwe chat date
[14:09] [MasterZen] ok
[14:09] [MasterZen] that'd at least get us off the hook for a while
[14:09] [[ND]Borc] ok ... is it #RP or what
[14:09] [[ND]Borc] i better ask in the main room
[14:09] [MasterZen] #PTWDGConference Together
[14:09] [[ND]Borc] ok
[14:10] * [ND]Borc has left #GoW
[14:11] [MasterZen] meanwhile, let's talk war over here
[14:12] [MasterZen] Panzer, have you seen H_E's plan in the Dtrategy thread?
[14:12] [Panzer_32] skimmed it
[14:12] [[ND]Darekill] sorry but i'm only listening here...
[14:13] [MasterZen] what do you guys think of the whole GS/Vox situation?
[14:14] [MasterZen] Vox seems to be in a very uncomfortable situation...
[14:16] [[ND]Darekill] GS has got them by the balls thats for sure!
[14:16] [MasterZen] yep, Vox is desperate to find a relocation spot
[14:18] [MasterZen] we're also wondering about your exploration of Lego, how's it going along?
[14:18] * GhengisFarb has quit IRC (Read error: Connection reset by peer )
[14:18] [MasterZen] 4Panzer, my PM box is now purged
[14:22] [Panzer_32] ok, forwarding a message to you
[14:30] [Panzer_32] we're getting info from RP:
[14:30] [Panzer_32] [MasterZen] are your eastern cities fortified or something?
[14:30] [Panzer_32] [Togas] we have some troops there, yes, but nothing substantial. We still have to guard our northern border. 
[14:31] [MasterZen] hehehe... I love stealing their info like that
[14:33] [MasterZen] more info:
[14:33] [MasterZen] [13:31] [Togas] They couldn't conquer Spain, we have too many troops, but they could ruin several of our eastern cities and destroy our shipbuilding facilities.
[14:34] [MasterZen] we need to split up their army
[14:36] [[ND]Darekill] should work.
[14:36] [[ND]Zayxus] meet you @ other channel...
[14:37] [MasterZen] [13:37] [Togas] 2) Reaffirm the current peace on Bob. Settle on some borders, and recommit to the Bob Alliance.
[14:37] [MasterZen] 4 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[14:51] [Panzer_32] so when are we going to have the war chat here? When the conference is over?
[14:55] [MasterZen] well, I was thinking about having it at the same time right?
[14:55] [MasterZen] I have to leave in about 1 hour
[14:56] [[ND]Darekill] Well we have some questions
[14:56] [MasterZen] go ahead, we have a "plan" also
[14:57] [[ND]Darekill] 1. How many troops do you think you have ready in 14 turns?
[14:57] [[ND]Darekill] 2. Do we stick to the Plan of attackin in the East united?
[14:58] [Panzer_32] That depends on how much money we can get to upgrade horsemen to riders
[14:58] [[ND]Darekill] 3. Will you have some Workers for the Jungle
[14:58] [[ND]Darekill] 4. Are you interestet in Theology or engeneering?
[14:59] [Panzer_32] As the Consul of Internal affairs, I don't believe we can spare any workers currently for the jungle
[14:59] [Panzer_32] Theology: we have a deal already in place
[14:59] [Panzer_32] Engineering: We're getting from Vox, if they ever finish it
[15:00] [MasterZen] 2. we have a little plan you might want to consider
[15:00] [[ND]Darekill] we will have engeneering in about 17 turns.
[15:00] [[ND]Darekill] how much do you pay for Theo? Is the deal fixed?
[15:01] [Panzer_32] we're getting a good deal for Theo, and it is fixed
[15:05] [[ND]Darekill] forget theo what about engeneering?
[15:05] [MasterZen] well, being that Vox might get wiped out...
[15:07] [[ND]Darekill] we could give it to you then.
[15:07] [[ND]Darekill] for the chivalry?
[15:08] [Panzer_32] how much gold do you have?
[15:08] [MasterZen] we would much rather get gold for chivalry for our upgrades
[15:08] [[ND]Darekill] Just barely enogh to upgrade our Horseman to Ansar
[15:10] [[ND]Darekill] MZ Borc doesn't want to talk about Borders and NAP's in the RP chat.
[15:11] [Panzer_32] what if we do get engineering from Vox? what would you give for Chivalry?
[15:11] [[ND]Darekill] if we can give you money it'll be on a G/T base.
[15:12] [[ND]Darekill] how much would you need?
[15:12] [MasterZen] we are currently discussing the price
[15:12] [MasterZen] but I think we would need something like a down payment and then g/t
[15:16] [[ND]Darekill] look we get theo for the withdrawel of scout arne and some gold. We need to have money for the upgrades.
[15:16] [[ND]Darekill] we can not lead a war with horseman...
[15:18] [MasterZen] neither can we, that's why I suggest a tradeoff
[15:18] [MasterZen] we would of course expect all the cash, you want g/t. We can compromise, part in cash, the rest in g/t
[15:21] [[ND]Darekill] how long until you have Chivalry?
[15:21] [[ND]Darekill] The sooner we get it the less units we have to upgrade...
[15:22] [[ND]Darekill] The more money we have to pay you
[15:22] * [ND]Borc has joined #GoW
[15:22] [[ND]Borc] ok here again
[15:22] [MasterZen] ~7 turns I think
[15:22] [MasterZen] panzer knows
[15:22] [Panzer_32] 5 turns was the last save
[15:22] [MasterZen] ooh.. even sweeter
[15:24] [[ND]Darekill] so we can fix this deal next week?
[15:24] [Panzer_32] we will have 8 horsemen to upgrade that turn
[15:25] [Panzer_32] then we can attack Bilbao 6 turns after that with those riders
[15:25] [[ND]Darekill] we will have to upgrade about the same amount on horseman then.
[15:27] [[ND]Borc] 5+6 turns = 11 turns = 130 BC, let us say 110 BC, is that official?
[15:27] [Panzer_32] btw, this includes going through ND territory near Thordoba
[15:28] [[ND]Borc] no problem for us
[15:28] [[ND]Borc] will you have thr road to mavdad?
[15:28] [MasterZen] nost likely not
[15:29] [MasterZen] we'll trust on 3-move Riders...
[15:29] [Panzer_32] Lets aim for 110 BC, we can adjust it slightly if we need to
[15:29] [Panzer_32] huh? No, we don't have any road even started in that direction
[15:31] [[ND]Borc] did you discuss with ghengis that we think about attacking together in th east
[15:31] [[ND]Borc] 8 riders and 10 ansars
[15:31] [[ND]Borc] or do you still like the idea
[15:32] [Panzer_32] well.. what would you attack?
[15:32] [MasterZen] we had a plan over here...
[15:32] [MasterZen] basically to split up RP's army
[15:32] [[ND]Darekill] let's hear.
[15:33] [MasterZen] lemme find the thread...
[15:34] [Panzer_32] Its the strategy thread
[15:34] [MasterZen] I know, i'm just going though the forum..
[15:34] [[ND]Borc] no problem
[15:36] [MasterZen] ok, here's the idea:
[15:36] [MasterZen] a road is to be built south of Marlowa
[15:37] [MasterZen] Pikes will cover the workers
[15:37] [MasterZen] you will claim you are simply clearing jungle but RP will freak
[15:37] [MasterZen] they will move units to that sector
[15:37] [MasterZen] you also send 2 galleys with med infs to Lego
[15:38] [MasterZen] check out the iron tile on the way
[15:38] [MasterZen] now, once the road is done...
[15:38] [MasterZen] you pull back your troops
[15:38] [MasterZen] and war is declared
[15:39] [MasterZen] GoW attacks in the East
[15:39] [MasterZen] with some Ansars in support
[15:39] [[ND]Borc] at Bilbao
[15:39] [MasterZen] if the plan works, RP will move troops east
[15:39] [MasterZen] and realize the whole road thing was a ruse
[15:40] [MasterZen] then, the med infs land on the iron (or close to it)
[15:40] [MasterZen] but, then you move the bulk of your army to the road
[15:40] [MasterZen] and build a city on the path (I'll send you the map by e-mail)
[15:41] [MasterZen] that will give your ansars range to attack 3 cities: Zaragoza, Leon and Vigo
[15:41] [[ND]Darekill] No need to that plan is already in our drwaers
[15:42] [MasterZen] and there you have it, there are two major fronts, west and east, they might have troops but not enough
[15:42] [Panzer_32] do you have the map, or do you have another plan?
[15:42] [MasterZen] if, as Togas claims, they are weak in the east but powerful in the west, our eastern assault will rip them apart and converge on to the west
[15:43] [[ND]Borc] we call th city south of marlowa Operation Dreizack (triangle)
[15:43] [MasterZen] Panzer: i'm quoting almost directly from the thread with the same map
[15:43] [MasterZen] hehehe
[15:43] [[ND]Darekill] Belive me or not but we made already the same plan. it is called Operation Dreizack...
[15:43] [[ND]Borc] and the settler is almost ready ))
[15:43] [[ND]Borc] i ask me if togas finds the same move in his brain :-/
[15:44] [MasterZen] they are not warriors
[15:44] [MasterZen] * warmongers
[15:44] [[ND]Darekill] but if you found this, and we found it why should togas be worse...
[15:45] [MasterZen] because we are imaginative
[15:45] [MasterZen] it's much harder to think on what others will do to you, than what you can do to them
[15:45] [MasterZen] keep them guessing is the best strategy in war, both in real life and in Civ
[15:46] [[ND]Borc] in the moment we build the road one tile south of marlowa they can send pikes to the stlle palce, but anyway we will do our best
[15:46] [[ND]Borc] *settlement lace
[15:46] [[ND]Borc] *settlement place :-((
[15:47] [Panzer_32] I was looking at the map for the natural progression of the GoW attack
[15:48] [Panzer_32] Bilbao, Toledo, Madrid
[15:48] [Panzer_32] only 2 turns to go from one to the next for each of those cities
[15:49] [[ND]Borc] by the way: we want to make a long NAP with GS, to not let them become friends with RP...what do you think about it
[15:49] [[ND]Borc] thats why i chatted with zeit 2 days ago
[15:50] [MasterZen] we want GS to be neutral during his war at all costs
[15:50] [MasterZen] and we want RP to piss them off
[15:51] [Panzer_32] ok, so what happens in 110 BC?
[15:51] [[ND]Borc] first step: we make a nap with GS, second step: poosible that we cant send horses to vox... but we will see
[15:51] [Panzer_32] 1. GoW attacks Bilbao
[15:51] [[ND]Darekill] you declare war and raze Bilbao...
[15:52] [Panzer_32] 2. ND lands on or near Iron
[15:52] [[ND]Borc] right!
[15:52] [Panzer_32] 3. ND settles the city
[15:52] [[ND]Darekill] yes we will land four Pikes.
[15:52] [[ND]Borc] at 90 BC
[15:52] [[ND]Borc] and 4 med inf in a second wave
[15:52] [Panzer_32] why not 110bc?
[15:53] [[ND]Borc] 110 BC is your turn - if we get the save we have 90 BC
[15:53] [[ND]Borc] but we can do it 130 and 110 BC
[15:53] [Panzer_32] ah, right
[15:53] [Panzer_32] we have to declare war first
[15:54] [Panzer_32] what if Bilbao grows, then can we keep the city?
[15:55] [[ND]Borc] it is ok for me, but you have to defend it ...
[15:56] [[ND]Borc] not easy
[15:56] [Panzer_32] right.
[15:56] [MasterZen] I doubt they would try to recapture the city
[15:56] [MasterZen] other than via a naval landing
[15:57] [Panzer_32] we will need one defender though, just in case something wierd happens
[15:57] [Panzer_32] like GS attacks it or something
[15:58] [[ND]Borc] one question, if we cut the iron and if the 2nd iron ist at vox... will rp have no iron anymore?
[15:58] [[ND]Darekill] will you build some barracks there and do they disapear if you would gift us this city for one turne or two?
[15:58] [Panzer_32] where is RP's second Iron?
[15:58] [[ND]Darekill] then RP has no iron borc!
[15:59] [[ND]Borc] so maybe we should send horses and iron to vox anyway , hmm
[15:59] [MasterZen] guys, I have to go to school right now
[15:59] [MasterZen] it was a pleasure chatting as usual
[15:59] [Panzer_32] ok
[15:59] [[ND]Darekill] okay bye
[15:59] [[ND]Borc] and i have to go home... we have still enough turns...
[15:59] [[ND]Borc] let us continue next week?
[15:59] [Panzer_32] Now would ND's ansars attack the northern front?
[15:59] [MasterZen] ok, cya
[16:00] [[ND]Borc] bye mz
[16:00] [MasterZen] AUF WIEDERSEHEN
[16:00] [MasterZen] ADIOS
[16:00] * MasterZen has quit IRC (Quit: I hate my thesis... )
[16:00] [[ND]Borc] yes we like the Marlowa-]road-]south-]city-triangle plan
[16:01] [Panzer_32] ok, just to clarify, that city would be 2 south of Marlowa?
[16:01] [[ND]Borc] yes, so we can attack in one move 3 spanisch cities :-))
[16:01] [[ND]Borc] and so many rp troups have to be forified there by togas
[16:01] [Panzer_32] I don't think Zaragoza would be reachable in 1 turn
[16:02] [Panzer_32] Ansars are two move, right?
[16:03] [[ND]Borc] 3 moves
[16:03] [[ND]Darekill] no Ansar are just as fast as Riders
[16:04] [Panzer_32] oh, ok. Zargoza is reachable
[16:04] [[ND]Darekill] it is!
[16:04] [[ND]Borc] ok, friends please send me the chat log if you are finished... family is calling bye!
[16:04] [Panzer_32] but you'll attack across a river
[16:04] [Panzer_32] bye borc
[16:05] [[ND]Borc] bye
[16:05] * [ND]Borc has quit IRC (Quit: Leaving )
[16:05] [[ND]Darekill] no because we are south of the river.
[16:05] [Panzer_32] how?
[16:06] [[ND]Darekill] first step river crosed. second step mov to city third move attack.
[16:06] [Panzer_32] but river crossed is two moves. It is forest
[16:06] [Panzer_32] sorry never mind
[16:07] [Panzer_32] It looks like forest on my screen but it is grassland
[16:07] [[ND]Darekill] it is.
[16:08] [[ND]Darekill] I'll have to go now too.
[16:08] [Panzer_32] ok, bye Darekill
[16:08] [[ND]Darekill] let us meet next week ok.?
[16:08] [[ND]Darekill] bye
[16:08] * [ND]Darekill has left #GoW
[16:08] [Panzer_32] ok, but I'll probably be late next week
[16:08] [[ND]Zayxus] bye
[16:08] [Panzer_32] bye
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