13-06-2003 01:24									#1
	Conquest vs Capital Full PM-box? Change here!

Every night - when my friends and I play against computers, we always play a capital game. Well, two nights ago, we stepped up to tough, and we were getting destroyed. It was an Island map, the East Indies, i believe, and the computer was playing beautifully. Their navy had us blockaded to one or two islands, we couldn't support each other, and they were picking off our colonies by isolating and attacking. When it hit modern, we were fighting off masses of aircraft from aircraft carriers and barely survivng. My friend took a huge gamble, ignored his capital, built up a military base on an island, and built up before the computer noticed. All three of us then massed our navies and drove through the enemy navy (taking heavy losses) to allow a beach landing for the navy. A nuke and a few minutes of intense fighting gave us the victory against one of the computers, and then, with considerable pressure off of our backs, we were able to do the same to the other computer.
It was a great game, but it got me thinking - we shouldn't have won simply by rushing their capital. I think capital victories seem rather unfair, all one has to do is to rush the captial and their entire country fell after a short time. It's even cheaper when world government comes into play. Last night, my friend and I played "conquest" and, although it was alot harder, and alot more frantic, it was definately more fun, in my opinion. The game just seems more tactical when there is not just one "objective" (The enemy capital) to take, but rather, you have to completely eliminate the enemy by taking out his entire empire. Suicide rushes still play a role, because taking out their capital certianly puts a huge dent in their economy, but it doesn't win the game outright.
What do you guys think of conquest games? Do you like them, or like capital games more?

	13-06-2003 03:07									#2
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I almost always play conquest games, for the reason you mentioned.

I wish you could play CtW as a Conquest game as well. It s*cks if 1-territory Greece can suddenly become a major world power by winning a single battle against the huge Ottoman Empire... (Happened twice already)

	13-06-2003 11:11									#3
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I always play Conquest.

It just doesn't feel clean unless the only colours on the mini-map are mine and my allies when the game finishes.

	13-06-2003 20:14									#4
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Yeah, I'm the same way.

Except the only colors I want to see are mine. Screw allies, burn em all!

	13-06-2003 20:47									#5
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the difference is win by genocide (conquest) or by capitulation (capital)

	13-06-2003 20:51									#6
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Hey, Dutcheese! Long time no see -- good to see you're still around...

	13-06-2003 21:10									#7
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When I first got the game I played Capital Conquest. Now that I have learned how to play the game, I simply play conquest.

	13-06-2003 23:21									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Locutus I wish you could play CtW as a Conquest game as well.

From CTP2 to CtW...down the slippery slope we go! (Hi, Wouter!) -- HtL(Ed)

	14-06-2003 14:29									#9
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Yup. Hey, Ed

Did anyone add a subliminal 'CtPers post here' message to this thread?

	14-06-2003 17:45									#10
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umm, capital victory is how the game is supposed to be played and is the best way also. Guaranteed in any tournaments or ladder games capital victory will be used.

	14-06-2003 23:11									#11
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Excuse me, the game is supposed to be played any way that I enjoy playing it. :P

	15-06-2003 06:37									#12
	Re: Conquest vs Capital Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations

quote: Originally posted by UndyingFlame Every night - when my friends and I play against computers, we always play a capital game. Well, two nights ago, we stepped up to tough, and we were getting destroyed. It was an Island map, the East Indies, i believe, and the computer was playing beautifully. Their navy had us blockaded to one or two islands, we couldn't support each other, and they were picking off our colonies by isolating and attacking. When it hit modern, we were fighting off masses of aircraft from aircraft carriers and barely survivng. My friend took a huge gamble, ignored his capital, built up a military base on an island, and built up before the computer noticed. All three of us then massed our navies and drove through the enemy navy (taking heavy losses) to allow a beach landing for the navy. A nuke and a few minutes of intense fighting gave us the victory against one of the computers, and then, with considerable pressure off of our backs, we were able to do the same to the other computer. It was a great game, but it got me thinking - we shouldn't have won simply by rushing their capital. I think capital victories seem rather unfair, all one has to do is to rush the captial and their entire country fell after a short time. It's even cheaper when world government comes into play. Last night, my friend and I played "conquest" and, although it was alot harder, and alot more frantic, it was definately more fun, in my opinion. The game just seems more tactical when there is not just one "objective" (The enemy capital) to take, but rather, you have to completely eliminate the enemy by taking out his entire empire. Suicide rushes still play a role, because taking out their capital certianly puts a huge dent in their economy, but it doesn't win the game outright. What do you guys think of conquest games? Do you like them, or like capital games more?

Crank it up to tougher next time and you and your friend will probably lose all the time Tougher is very difficult especially if the games starts to last a while. The AI will be all over you and it will come down to you just trying to survive.

So you can try conquest on tough or capital on tougher. Either one of those would be very tough to win. At last if you decide to play alot of island and sea maps be sure to build yourself some carriers when they become available. You will need them. Don't worry too much about battleships, just carriers with cruiser escorts should do.