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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:28
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Oh, and if you get to be a leader of some sort, my best advice to you is: Show example. You are not there to make friends but you should know when you need to be a bad ass, and when you need to give a little slack. Demand a lot, but be sure you can do all the stuff you're demanding with excellent rates. If the guys don't get it, or they are just being lazy, don't just yell at them. Show them how to do it, and be a bad ass, do it like no one else can, and then demand they do it the same and whip them all the way. That way they don't lose respect for you, because they just saw YOU doing it, so you can demand them to do it too. Don't quit, don't lose your temper, don't lose your cool, and if they start Fng around, show them the gates of hell!
Reward guys giving their all, even if they didn't do so good. If they gave their best shot, be pleased. If someone is slacking, doing good but still could do better, make sure they know you're not happy about it and that he will be hearing about it later on.
Know your men, what they like, hobbies etc.. Don't distance yourself too much, they need to trust you too. It goes both ways. Work like clock, never late, EVER.
If you make a major F up and the guys suffer because of it, you can always punish yourself in front of the men. They'll appreciate it, and don't lose respect for you. If you're bad ass enough that is. Just don't be a clown.
Ok I'm getting carried away.. sorry  .
Last edited by Pekka on 13-06-2003 at 05:46
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Pekka
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em seu burro dos pais!
Feb 2002
time: 07:28
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Oh, and no one likes moody guys. If you're having a bad day leading, don't let it show too much. Have a great motto and let the guys hear it all the time. They'll learn to either hate it or love it. Depends what day it is .
My mottos were 'Keep it simple' and 'Back to basics' which meant there has been too much fooling around and people are forgetting what's most important and results are bad. Pretty much physical motivation. There's no memory like muscle memory! But just remember that when it happens, you have also failed as a leader. You're not God, you're the leader and it's your responsibility everything works, and if one man fails, you fail too. That means you have to look at the mirror too. Did you explain it clear enough? Did you emphasize different stages enough? Did you train enough?
Observe, observe, observe. There's always lazy bums who stops working when you turn your back. It lowers the moral of the group. Make sure no one is slacking, and remember to 'reward' those slackers with extra guard duty, or when something stupid needs to be done. They're the man for the job!
Make sure you have authority, and you don't have to prove it to yourself or feel good about it. You'll get it if you're good leader. You don't get it by yelling. You get it by example and demand. Make sure you know what's going on with the guys at all times. Don't get in the middle of things, but still you have to know what happens. This is tougher, but that's why you need to get to know them, so you can read the signs and make decisions based on that.
You have to commit yourself 110%. If you're not sure, don't let it show. If they see you as a leader who's always not sure about things, they don't trust you.
Make sure, that every guy knows they can trust you in personal level too. Don't brake their trust EVER. Risk little personal injury for it. Be fair. Don't pick on the same guys all the time. You know that you have it, when you can be friends with them at all times, but they still obey your every command with no questions asked. THat's the sign you want to get. That means they like you as their leader, respect you and everything is peachy. Don't be afraid to punish them though, that's a sign of weakenss and they will try to capitalize on it every time. Arrange something extra special to them when they have done something spectaculary well and you have gotten thanked from your superiors. Make effort to it. They'll appreciate it and respect you.
If they make jokes about you, and you accidentally hear them, don't get angry. Let them have their fun. It doesn't mean they don't respect you. It means they have found common language and are getting along well. And that's important. Don't be a leader that they don't know what to expect from you. Have a work procedure and follow it at all times. For example if you are late even 30 seconds, then how can you expect your men to be on time, or better yet, demand it? Show example in everything. Remember that you are not God, you are below your superior and responsible to him what's going on. When they fail, YOU fail. Make sure no one fails. Check, check and check. Check everything 10 times. Then come back and check 10 times again. What can fail, will fail. So make sure you have all corners covered, and then cover the extra corner. Think what can go wrong, and cover it. Then check it 10 times. Make sure you can back up everyone elses mistakes too.
Make sure you are ready to cover everyone elses mistakes too. If something is failing and you don't know what it is, check your own base as long as it takes even if the failure is in someone elses base. Always expect the mistake being you. Check, check and cover. Times 1000.
You're not that special. If you got all these things in you, then you're a good leader. You're still not special, you can spice it up a little with your personality, but not too much. You need to work extra to be especially good, but if you fail at any of these points, you are not a good leader, and have not deserved your spot. Make sure you deserve your spot. You're not special. You can be replaced. Be the best, and remember that you can always learn more, even from your men.
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WRangler Rhymer
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One more thing if you join the Navy you can be one of the color Guard and wave the fighter jets and AWACS on and of the nuclear power carriers.
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:28
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{Army career counselor mode}
GP is right, show 'em or grow 'em.
I assume you're of the male gender, despite some indications to the contrary. If so, God Almighty issued you a set of vertebra and a pair of balls for a reason, although He may be questioning the wisdom of that decision based on the original post of yours.
It IS your debt, and your responsibility, period. If your attitude is to try to shuck that off, or whine about it, as it seems from this thread, do the Army a favor and don't bother. Never mind that "Army of One" horseshit - it ain't all about you. Good soldiers shouldn't ever have to have their lives in the hands of ****ups trying to find themselves, or sad sacks who won't take responsibility for anything and are just trying to ticket punch their way to the most bennies with the least effort. If you want to join the Army, grow up first, take responsibility, and make a commitment to it.
Maybe the Navy (sorry, George) or the Air Force can find some place to stick you where you can't do any harm.
{/Army career counselor mode}
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MichaeltheGreat
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Apolyton Grand Executioner
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:28
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It's to standardize it across the services.
The Navy invents all sorts of cute names for their ranks, so God can't even figure out what they all mean. The air force - who knows, except for a few units (air commandos, pararescue and combat pilots), they're not really in the military anyway.)
For Army and Marines, the names are different - in the Army, a PFC (Private First Class) is an E3, and in the Marines, a PFC is an E2, with a Lance Corporal being an E3. Corporals are the same in both (although the Army also has Specialist-4, the last holdout from a dual rank system that at one time had Specialist-4 through Specialist-9), Sergeants (E5) and Staff Sergeants (E6) are the same in both Army and Marines, but then at E7 (navy Chief Petty Officer, but they do the cutesie thing and call them stuff like Chief Machinist's Mate or some such for each different job), the Army has Sergeants First Class, while the Marines have Gunnery Sergeants (Gunnies)
O1's are the bottom officer grades, but it's a lot simpler and shorter than 2nd Lieutenant (everyone but navy) or Ensign (Navy)
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Lancer
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Oregon Coast, USA! or Bohol, Philippines!
Apr 1999
time: 05:28
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Join the army, be a grunt. You get to play with all the fun things that go bang, and if you go lifer you'll never have to worry about those nasty debt collectors wanting their money back! Instead of studying lame crap like math and technical charts as you would with any other service, you can spend your off time as any REAL MAN should, chasing girls and drinking beer! Also, you can still safely bend over to pick up the soap in the army, DON'T try this in the AF or definately not in the navy... Anyway, ask for 3rd infantry, these days it's like a video game all damn day. You can prepare yourself with a few thousand hours of DOOM if you like... In 20 or thirty years, if some head full of mush ******* doesn't blow you away, you're out with a fat pension and alot of stories, some of which you might be able to tell. 
Girls and beer! Let your free time be free in the US army!
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Static Universe
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Zero,
Have you thought about the National Guard or Reserves? You can get money for college, room and board for one weekend a month. Some states pay full tuition.
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13-06-2003 05:40
, join the French Foreign Legion , ..... 
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