13-06-2003 04:00									#1
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To be edited by the Consuls and Ministers.

Status:
- Researching map making at 60% (done, should be). Set research to horse back riding. Set research slider to max break even ???
- Luxury Slider at 0%
- 113 gold cash, +5 gpt

Urgent questions & tasks:
FAM: Confirm research target, please.
FAM: Discussions with CDG and CFC re GCA, and with GCA re CFC.
FAM: Negotiations with CDG: NAP & border combo. Stalled.
MoL: A couple of units need naming.

Unit movement & actions:
N01 'MerZenary' fortify in Apolyton
N02 'Mao' to move 8 (N)
N03 'DarkCloud' fortified in Apolyton
N04 'Togas' to move 8 (N)
W02 'BigFree' to move 9 (NE)
W03 'Alva' to move 7 (NW)
W04 'Theseus' to skip turn
W05 'BFW' to move 3 (SE)
W06 'Hagbart' fortified in Tripoli
W07 'WhiteBandit' to skip turn
W08 'not_panag' fortified 7 7 of Mingapulco
W09 'PanzerWarrior' fortified, awaiting Etruscan horseman's actions
W10 'Scourge' fortified 7 7 7 of Mingapulco
W11 'Y' to fortify 7 of Mingapulco
W12 'Z' to move to support Mingapulco if necessary, or to relieve Theseus if Morris behaves
W13 'X' complete in Mingapulco. ???

Economy:
Apolyton building settler (1)
Mingapulco finises warrior. begin warrior (2)
Banatopia building merc (5)
Incensity building merc (6). Change to galley (6)
Tripoli building merc (6)

WF:
Apolyton: 4-12-13-17-18 at start
Mingapulco: 2-3-10 at start
Bananatopia: 2-8-19 at start
Incensity: 5-14 at start
Tripoli: 2 at start

Workers
Worker1 'Dan' clearing jungle (6) at Banatopia 3
Worker2 'Monkee' finished road. Move to Banatopia 4 ???
Worker3 'panag' building mine (1) at Apolyton 7-7
Worker4 'EVC' finished mine. Begin road (3) at Tripoli 9

Diplomacy:
CDG: NAP expired. Talking about renewal - draft in works. Tech Trade in effect -- Mapmaking for Philosophy + Math. Voided if they do not get tech by 83
GCA: NAP in effect Turn 59. Tech trade in effect Map Making and Horseback Riding for Polytheism and Mysticism
CFC: NAP in effect (to Turn 83)

Comment, please, many "plans" (especially those marked with '??') are just suggestions or ideas, not decisions already made.

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Discussion and basic reporting to follow. See the topped thread for comprehensive results.

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Last edited by notyoueither on 13-06-2003 at 08:04

	13-06-2003 08:17									#2
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Updated.

	13-06-2003 12:34									#3
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If CDG builts another city SW, SW, SW (or 1,1,1) of Mingapulco, ie on the hill, we are completely blocked from the West.

Is the CDG worker (NW, NW of Cuido de Alcohol) building a road, mining on the hill or just passing by ? That would give an indication of what they are planning next ?

	13-06-2003 16:27									#4
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If you get the save, we'll have accumulated 0 beakers towards our next research goal.

This is a good time to see which techs have been discovered how many times.

If it's not too much to ask, can you check how many research turns to every undiscovered tech it is, given a certain amount of research? I can determine from this the number of neighbouring civs that have that tech already.

	13-06-2003 23:03									#5
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BFM, that can be done every turn. Turn research down to 8 or 10 and hover the mouse over each tech. The time to research is displayed without clicking on it.

	14-06-2003 00:44									#6
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I ask that we begin researching Code of Laws.

I believe that we can aquire HBR from CFC. We may have to give them an unequitable trade, but it will speed our way to Republic.

I also believe that we will receive Philosophy from CDG. While I am loathe to trust them, all indications are that they are researching and will have it by the time we finish CoL.

--Togas

	14-06-2003 06:35									#7
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Here's a "before action shot:

	14-06-2003 07:28									#8
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster If you get the save, we'll have accumulated 0 beakers towards our next research goal. This is a good time to see which techs have been discovered how many times. If it's not too much to ask, can you check how many research turns to every undiscovered tech it is, given a certain amount of research? I can determine from this the number of neighbouring civs that have that tech already.

code:


Science Rate     21  20  16  13  12  08  06  05  02  


                      Turns from now to get it

Mathematics      08  09  11  13  14  21  28  33  40
 
Philosophy       07  08  09  12  12  18  24  29  40

Code of Laws     12  12  15  19  20  30  40  40  40

Literature       12  12  15  19  20  30  40  40  40

HBR              06  06  08  10  10  15  20  24  40

Mysticism        04  04  05  06  07  10  13  15  37     

	14-06-2003 07:28									#9
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hi ,

we need a city where that iron in the mountains is and the fish in front , .....

we need to build several more cities asap , .....

it seems we are being closed in and our patience is being tested to the upermost limit , .....

when are the hawks going to take over control of this gov , .....

have a nice day

	14-06-2003 08:26									#10
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An "After Action" shot:

	14-06-2003 08:35									#11
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hi ,

thanks for them before and after shots , they are really great

have a great weekend

	14-06-2003 09:06									#12
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Actions:

N01 'MerZenary' fortify in Apolyton
N02 'Mao' to moved 8 (N)
N03 'DarkCloud' fortified in Apolyton
N04 'Togas' to moved 8 (N)
W02 'BigFree' to moved 9 (NE)
W03 'Alva' to moved 7 (NW)
W04 'Theseus' skiped turn
W05 'BFW' to moved 3 (SE)
W06 'Hagbart' fortified in Tripoli
W07 'WhiteBandit' moved 8 (N)
W08 'not_panag' fortified 7-7 of Mingapulco
W09 'PanzerWarrior' moved 7(NW) to attack Barb Horsemen. Attack successful, no HP lost, gained Veteran status.
W10 'Scourge' fortified 7-7-7 of Mingapulco
W11 'Y' renamed 'Hawkeye', fortified 7 of Mingapulco
W12 'Z' renamed 'Warrior With No Name' moved 2 2 (S, S) to relieve Theseus on border patrol duty
W13 named 'Steelfist' completed in Mingapulco. Forified in Mingapulco

Economy:
Apolyton building settler (1)
Mingapulco finished warrior. begins warrior (2)
Banatopia building merc (5)
Incensity building galley (6)
Tripoli building merc (6)

WF:
Apolyton: 4-12-13-17-18 at start
Mingapulco: 2-3-10 at start
Bananatopia: 2-8-19 at start
Incensity: 5-14 at start
Tripoli: 2 at start

Workers
Worker1 'Dan' clearing jungle (6) at Banatopia 3
Worker2 'Monkee' moved to Banatopia 3
Worker3 'panag' building mine (1) at Apolyton 7-7
Worker4 'EVC' begin road (3) at Tripoli 9

Note: keypad directions used for all except in WF orders.

	15-06-2003 21:17									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Togas I ask that we begin researching Code of Laws. I believe that we can aquire HBR from CFC. We may have to give them an unequitable trade, but it will speed our way to Republic.

I only saw this post today. I think we should stick to our deal and research Horseback Riding. CFC does not have HBR yet, and it would be too much of a gamble to depend on them for our important tech deal with GCA: MM+HBR for Myst+Poly.

Has this "unequitable trade" been specified or formalized?

quote: I also believe that we will receive Philosophy from CDG.

It's in the deal.

BFM

	16-06-2003 01:25									#14
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I disagree BFM.

I answered your question about this in a thread you created and dedicated to this topic.

And yes, "It's in the deal." But we were not feeling to sure about CDG actaully doing Philosophy or getting it done by the time we were finished with CoL. I am fairly confident we will get this tech from CDG now however.

	16-06-2003 01:38									#15
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quote: Originally posted by notyoueither BFM, that can be done every turn. Turn research down to 8 or 10 and hover the mouse over each tech. The time to research is displayed without clicking on it.

I know, but the calculations are a bit easier when our 'beaker stock' is zero.

BigFree - thanks for the numbers. I found out all three civs have Mysticism, and two of them have Maths.

	16-06-2003 01:51									#16
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Good work BFM. What you do is invaluable to our team, it really helps to get a larger picture of what is going on and who may be lying to us or not.