13-06-2003 14:14									#1
	I have but _ONE_ feature request for the new expansion Put an end to popups!

... and that is:

PATCHES FOR EUROPEAN VERSIONS!

'nuff said.

--a very disgruntled Fritti who vows never to buy an Atari game anymore and instead resort to piracy because then I actually can get some fixes for bugs in a product I have bought!

	14-06-2003 01:46									#2
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Well, if you feel that way, why should Atari cater to you if you are going to pirate their stuff anyways?

Seriously, Atari has said that in the future they will hold up releasing the US patches till the RotW patches are done.

	14-06-2003 02:01									#3
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"Well, if you feel that way, why should Atari cater to you if you are going to pirate their stuff anyways?"

i think fritti is pirating in response to actions by Atari, and is not going to pirate regardless...

	14-06-2003 02:14									#4
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Well they should seriously think about working with their buyers, not against. I have the american version of civ III and want to buy ptw. This has become quit a problem to do since it's seems impossible to get an american version of PtW here. So I politely emailed Ataris support and asked whether the european PtW would work or if they could help me obtain an american version of PtW. Take into account that I'm emailing the support for my licensed and shop bought CivIII. The answer I get is a big -"we don't know and if you try and fail, well, that's your problem."

Compare this with people that are playing PtW, fully patched, illegally while I can't. This since I think that you should support good games and buy the original. This is so not fair!

	14-06-2003 02:35									#5
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Atari is much more interested by your wallet than by your opinion, alas.

If there are different versions for different continents, it does enter in a profit logic. With different versions, you can make different advertising campaigns at different moments, each time adapted to each country's commercial rythm of the year. Furthermore it slackens (a little bit) piracy.

There must be other reasons, but I do not know them.

	14-06-2003 07:27									#6
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"There must be other reasons, but I do not know them.?"

they're bitter old men who love to ruin the dreams of the younger generations... afer all, they had to fight in the war, as did their parents.... no war? well, they'll just be jerks...

	14-06-2003 16:11									#7
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quote: Originally posted by bobbo008 "There must be other reasons, but I do not know them.?" they're bitter old men who love to ruin the dreams of the younger generations... afer all, they had to fight in the war, as did their parents.... no war? well, they'll just be jerks...

cheers

	14-06-2003 21:08									#8
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Hm, statusperfect has turned into a mix of Skanky (one-smiley posts) and panag (cheers)

As for your suggestion, I agree except for the piracy bit. Other games don't have these problems...maybe C3C would just be translated the text in game? I don't really know how the mechanics work.

	14-06-2003 22:59									#9
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They really shouldn't make them incompatible. I know there are minor copy protection issues, but come on, they probably hurt more than they help.

Though it doesn't affect me much... I'm american

	14-06-2003 23:23									#10
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The copy protection is useless and only clutters up installation and patches. Whut they need to do is do a worldwide protection system or trash it alltogether--dedicated pirates aren't going to be deterred by anything anyways.

	15-06-2003 00:53									#11
	Re: I have but _ONE_ feature request for the new expansion Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: Originally posted by Fritti ... and that is: PATCHES FOR EUROPEAN VERSIONS! 'nuff said. --a very disgruntled Fritti who vows never to buy an Atari game anymore and instead resort to piracy because then I actually can get some fixes for bugs in a product I have bought!

hi ,

the problem aint with atari , they are trying to fix what infogrames did wrong , ....

have a nice day

	15-06-2003 01:06									#12
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"the problem aint with atari , they are trying to fix what infogrames did wrong "

maybe you miss the point, we are trying to fight the power here, not the one who's responsible... or is this just me?

	15-06-2003 01:14									#13
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quote: Originally posted by bobbo008 "the problem aint with atari , they are trying to fix what infogrames did wrong " maybe you miss the point, we are trying to fight the power here, not the one who's responsible... or is this just me?

hi ,

you cant fight "the power" , in the end they decide , .....

it was infogrames great idea to have local languages versions , it costed more money and created more problems , thats the fact , .....

now atari has moved in and what do we see , a gold edition and a new XP , ..... lets hope they have learned from the mistakes , .....

have a nice day

	15-06-2003 01:36									#14
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quote: Originally posted by panag hi , you cant fight "the power" , in the end they decide , ..... it was infogrames great idea to have local languages versions , it costed more money and created more problems , thats the fact , ..... now atari has moved in and what do we see , a gold edition and a new XP , ..... lets hope they have learned from the mistakes , ..... have a nice day

I just wanted to recall that Atari and Infogrames are just the same. Infogrames changed its name because they had (very very) bad financial results, and that they stinked in the Stock Exchange.

And you can always fight the power. Beyond the opportunity you ever own of opening your mouth and telling your mind on an internet forum like Apolyton's, which has become a true lobby (for the opinions of the members (sufficiently numerous) are taken into account by developpers), you always keep the possibility not to buy the products. If a forum like Apolyton adviced to boycott a product, because, for example, publishers didn't give a damn about players' mind, it would certainly hurt...

To my mind, if Apolyton's members together had no power, new newbies wouldn't suscribe all the time.

	15-06-2003 01:42									#15
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quote: Originally posted by M. le Comte I just wanted to recall that Atari and Infogrames are just the same. Infogrames changed its name because they had (very very) bad financial results, and that they stinked in the Stock Exchange. And you can always fight the power. Beyond the opportunity you ever own of opening your mouth and telling your mind on an internet forum like Apolyton's, which has become a true lobby (for the opinions of the members (sufficiently numerous) are taken into account by developpers), you always keep the possibility not to buy the products. If a forum like Apolyton adviced to boycott a product, because, for example, publishers didn't give a damn about players' mind, it would certainly hurt... To my mind, if Apolyton's members together had no power, new newbies wouldn't suscribe all the time.

hi ,

the management and important key people are replaced , .... thats the big change , at least they took notice of what the players where saying , .....

have a nice day

	15-06-2003 21:39									#16
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I want them to deal with performance

	15-06-2003 21:52									#17
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Wait...Infogreed became Atari!?

WHUT WILL HAPPEN TO THE ARMADILLO!!

*cries*

	15-06-2003 23:31									#18
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Wait...Infogreed became Atari!? WHUT WILL HAPPEN TO THE ARMADILLO!! *cries*

hi ,

yes they where taken over , there was a good article on it in the news section

have a nice day

	15-06-2003 23:48									#19
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Hm, statusperfect has turned into a mix of Skanky (one-smiley posts) and panag (cheers) As for your suggestion, I agree except for the piracy bit. Other games don't have these problems...maybe C3C would just be translated the text in game? I don't really know how the mechanics work.

At least he writes something

Still waiting for UK patch for PtW

	15-06-2003 23:50									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Thirgaral At least he writes something Still waiting for UK patch for PtW

hi ,

monday afternoon , be patient , .....

have a nice day

	16-06-2003 00:15									#21
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I am...Actually it looks like somethings happening after months of waiting

	16-06-2003 16:54									#22
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To clarify: I did buy Civ3, I bought PTW about the day I could get it here, and I don't want to pirate games. It's just that I feel that the pirates have more support - at least the cracker groups can get the patches to run!

Oh and that gets me thinking about an interesting question: if I bought the Euro version, is it wrong for me to pirate the US version? I know that it's probably illegal according to the letter of the law, but I'm talking about the spirit here -- a 'what if it wasnt wrong to do that' question if you will... I'm interested as to what you all feel.

Let it also be known that I will first stop buying Atari products to vote with my wallet, before I'm pirating anything, it's just that I'm very disappointed in them right now and had to vent my frustrations somewhere.

--Fritti

	16-06-2003 17:00									#23
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And I should have read the rest of the forum instead of just posting here -- here's to hoping the next wait won't be as long as this one.

--A very relieved Fritti

	16-06-2003 19:40									#24
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quote: At least he writes something

Are you talking about status in relation to me or panag? or skanky?

Fritti
According to the letter of the law and probably the spirit depending upon who you ask, it's illegal. You're paying for a Euro version and then stealing an American version, which is alike to 2 versions. Yes, the patches are this wierd. Just don't be surprised if you're busted, especially now that you published your intent to thousands of people.

Then again, if you're just cracking it so the patches can work, that's not pirating, that's just reverse engineering. Not necessarily so bad, but still illegal.

(Then again I imagine the laws in the Netherlands would be lax on this kind of thing, considering you can walk down the street a little and buy weed from the corner store? )

	17-06-2003 13:53									#25
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quote: Originally posted by mrmitchell Hm, statusperfect has turned into a mix of Skanky (one-smiley posts) and panag (cheers)

That is uncalled-for.

	17-06-2003 19:39									#26
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you're different now, Skanky... now we have one line of text and a smiley.

about the patches thing, I think they should quit this "localization" thing and just sell the american version, then we would have patches without problems. the localized versions usually suck, anyway.