15-06-2003 00:37									#31
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@MagyarCrusader:

I'll keep that in mind.
I have not yet dealt with the city sizes, or improvements.

That hideous task is yet to come....

PS
N. Africa has been whipped into a semblance of shape.

Cifer and Case's edits are complete, with a few of my own.
An acceptable compromise has been met in my view...

	15-06-2003 02:13									#32
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Ehum, Tirana belonged to Italy. From 1939 already.

	15-06-2003 02:39									#33
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Tirana shall be handed over to Musso in due course!

I am making good progress with city sizing and improvement placement.

I am about 60% done now.
Then I will place RR, farms and infastructure.
Then finally unit placement.

I am aiming for a mid-late week finish.

	15-06-2003 02:42									#34
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@Figu:

You'll be pleased to know that Carl Gustav von Mannerheim is in charge of the neutral alliance civ.

I know Finalnd was not neutral, but I had to have this great Finnish soldier in the scenario somehow.

	15-06-2003 02:47									#35
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling @Figu: You'll be pleased to know that Carl Gustav von Mannerheim is in charge of the neutral alliance civ. I know Finalnd was not neutral, but I had to have this great Finnish soldier in the scenario somehow.

hah, the leader of the finnish high command the leader of the neutrals.
Yep, without him, i wouldn't exsist!

	15-06-2003 02:52									#36
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But i am greatfully that finally someone has something about our history in the scenario.

	15-06-2003 03:35									#37
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In game, the Red Army will find Helsinki a tough challenge, I can assure you!

	15-06-2003 13:40									#38
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quote: Originally posted by curtsibling In game, the Red Army will find Helsinki a tough challenge, I can assure you!

Ok, there was 500 000 in the finnish army when Operation Barbarossa beginned, so it must be tough!

Remember that there were also about 5 German Divisions fighting in Northern Finland.

	15-06-2003 14:36									#39
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Hey hey... looks nice in my opinion!
What about Narbonne? Was it some important city in the second World War?
But dont forget: Its your decision. I always tell you what I think, but this is your scenario.

	15-06-2003 14:38									#40
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I suggest you rename Vienna to its german name, Wien.

Austria was a part of the 3rd Reich from 1038 on.

[I know I told you this before ;-)]

BTW, Rome should be called Roma in italian.

	15-06-2003 14:40									#41
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quote: Originally posted by jim panse Austria was a part of the 3rd Reich from 1038 on.

Whaat??? since 1038?? i thought it was 1938!

	15-06-2003 15:16									#42
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Much has changed in the map since this picture was made!

I have a good resolution to our map problem!

Two Scn files!
A version with national names, and one with normal names!

So please list all the names for European cities in their own language.

And I will make a special scn file using them!

Don't say Curt is not fair!
A special scn just for y'all!

	15-06-2003 16:08									#43
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anyway, are you going to have somekind of event which gives Budapest and Bucharest to Germany? they joined Axis in Sept. 1940

	15-06-2003 17:45									#44
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That's a tricky one...

If I make those two Balkan cities join the axis in sept 1940, it messes up the events barbarossa trigger.

But I have no other way of making the East Front attack work, without killing a balkan unit...

The only option is to make the scenario begin in Sept 1940, and that messes up things too..
No battle of britain...

There is no city switch event, although it would be awesome if there was.

A conundrum...

	15-06-2003 19:25									#45
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Anyway, one more question, why is Mongolia a rebel nation? they were in the Komintern, that means, allied with Soviet.

	15-06-2003 19:26									#46
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And Triest belonged to Italy!!

	15-06-2003 19:32									#47
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and the brits were not in Benghazi in 1940 June.. it was first later they captured the city.

	15-06-2003 21:46									#48
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quote: Originally posted by FiGu Anyway, one more question, why is Mongolia a rebel nation? they were in the Komintern, that means, allied with Soviet.

I am aware what the meaning of the Comintern - Communist International, thank you!

Please note that the map that is listed for DL is changing on an hourly basis.
The whole thing has changed.
N Africa has been fixed.
Mongolia is not represented on the new map...??

All cities are now sized.
And have improvements.
Infastructure is what I am working on.

PS
Slovenia did not join the axis till April 1941.

	15-06-2003 23:15									#49
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quote: Originally posted by FiGu And Triest belonged to Italy!!

It did and it still does

	15-06-2003 23:43									#50
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Curt:
Two scenario files: GREAT idea, anybody may choose what he prefers!!! That's REAL freedom...

Italian - as FiGu correctly wrote - city is TRIESTE.
Maybe in Romania you can use BUCURESTI 8not very important, because the oil was at PLOESTI... (as Allies bombers knew it very well...).
What about VICHY instead of LYON?
Only if you want give more importance to the political factor respect of the economic one, of course... (awful my english!)
Maybe it coul be linked a trigger/event if Allies catch Vichy, or something like this...

KEEP ON THE GOOD WORK, CURT

Gagliaudo

	16-06-2003 00:04									#51
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@Gagliaudo:

Your advice is very welcome!
Using Vichy is more in fitting with occupied France.
Trieste has been given to the Euro-Axis bloc.



On the problem with the Axis owning Bucharest/Budapest:
I am going to make these 2 cities non-defended, and the player can assume they are axis allies.
The fact that the have no flag flying will help show this.

When Germany chooses to try and crush Russia,
This is triggered by an assault on yugoslavia/Belgrade.
Otherwise, the USSR gets a turn first, not accurate!
(keep in mind that in this scenario, the assault on the East is up to the player or AI civ)

Whenever Germany attacks the east, the two other Balkan cities will be seized too.
This represents the Germans taking total control over the regions.
Belgrade will have one infantry defence, and it's destruction will trigger the Barbarossa invasion.

Historical timescales are not an issue in DV2.
The power is in the hands of the player to decide when to attack, if ever...

	16-06-2003 15:33									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Gagliaudo What about VICHY instead of LYON?

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!! What about renaming Munich into Nurmenberg or Washington into Dover or Portland into Longview or London into Southampton???
Please... sorry but that makes me ill! Lyon is the third biggest city in France overall!!!!!!!!!!!!! Theres Paris, then Marseille and then Lyon (in 1938).
You cant delete a city with an Importnace like Lyon!

	16-06-2003 16:19									#53
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Heh!

I think I better keep Lyon, non?

	16-06-2003 18:46									#54
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You really should put Triest in, Curt, due to a historical controversy.
Trst was assigned to fascist Italy in 1920, whilst having a mainly Slovene population with a German upper cass and Italian merchants.
The Italians and slovene collaborators tried to fix that problem up until 1945 when the city was retaken by the Yugoslav army and held until 1947, when it became the capital of the Triestine free state. Trst/Trieste was annexed by Italy in 1953, whilst the rest of the free state went to the Slovenes and Croats.
Trieste/Trst remains bilingual to this day(althought the Italians of Padania began embracing fascism again in the 70's).
And the Germans only occupied cities such as Praga and Warszawa, althought they were probably named in German by the superpowers.

	16-06-2003 19:19									#55
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Erhh, Italy wasn´t fascist in 1920, Valuk. Mussolini marched to Rome in 1922.

	17-06-2003 03:12									#56
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If ya seek a map with citys you can use the one I created for my Imperialism scn.
All the important citys are already placed but most of them must be renamed because they have their pre WWII names and/or are german spelled example: Yekatarinbur to Swerdlowsk; Tsaritzyn to Stalingrad and so on ...

The other scn. are included because I wanted to prevent error messages
PS: Map is also suitable for most pre- and after WWII scn.

GL 'n HF

Attachment: impmap.zip
This has been downloaded 4 time(s).

	17-06-2003 04:33									#57
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Worry not dudes!
Trieste is in and belongs to the Axis power.

UPDATE:

The thing is now about 95% ready, and the new map plays well.

While the combat is balanced, your main foe may well be your finances!
You will have to keep conquering to gain cash to stay afloat.. (this was as Germany)

My next task is to fix some city names, place a few units, and place some uber tiles as conquest objectives.

Then I will make the two scn files (the Europa one and the regular one) and it will be ready for release!

	17-06-2003 04:35									#58
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And NikolajRomanov, thanks for the map I will check it out!

	17-06-2003 18:41									#59
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Jim: No, but D'Annunzio was.

	17-06-2003 21:45									#60
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Cifer Almasy:
surely you're right saying Lyon was (and is) very important; as I wrote, Vichy could be chosen if scenario-creator wants emphatize the strictly-political side during the war: VICHY was the capitol city of the satellite-state of France (not occuped).
NOWADAYS Vichy could just be the mineral-water capitol city... (after the italian ones, of course!!! )
Other things are cities you wrote for example: Munchen, London and Washington surely was (and are) very important political centre, not so Longview, Southampton and Nurnberg (but its trial at the end...). More, Munchen was the starting-centre of the Nazi party in 30's (but Nurnberg was one of the most important cities for this party, too).
Well, right, I always speak too much...


Valuk:
D'Annunzio 'fascist' ?....
Maybe. Maybe later. Probably.
The only sure thing is that D'Annunzio was... D'ANNUNZIAN !!!!!