13-06-2003 21:10									#1
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Following up a hunch, I did some tests on what happens in massed galley vs single galley combat. Obviously has some relevance to us sinking Vox's galleys as and when they appear, with out large-ish fleet.

The basic outcome is that we lose far fewer galleys than Vox does. With a fleet, we can pretty much guarantee that Vox's galley sinks - their average losses are 1.0 galleys. Our average losses (assuming all galleys are regular) are 0.75. If all galleys involved are veteran, average losses are 0.66.

This holds true for any combat where the odds for the first combat are 50:50, but that's pretty rare for land combat (even the 10% flat terrain defense bonus throws it out of whack). In such cases, despite the apparently even combat odds, the attackers lose substantially fewer units on average.

Note that a particular failure of this is for regular galleys attacking a veteran galley, which is enough to give us greater losses on average (1.09 galleys).

Just a curiosity I thought I'd share.

EDIT - corrected a number

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	13-06-2003 22:58									#2
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Interesting!
So having a fleet does pay off.

I always thought that attacking a galley with a galley is disadvantageous no matter what, due to the defensive bonus, but I never thought of factoring in the effects of several galleys backing you up in case the first one fails.

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	14-06-2003 20:26									#3
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euh, doesn't any defending ship gets a 10% defense bonus, like landunits on e.g. plains get?

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	14-06-2003 20:47									#4
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I'm not sure we even want to sink their galley('s)-->exodus
(and I think Vox realises this aswell, at least I hope)

	14-06-2003 21:19									#5
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DeepO: yes, but if you have several galleys to attack with, the next galley will almost surely win (if the first galley hasn't won but at least injured the enemy galley, which is the likely event).
This is why we lose 0.75 galleys in average when we try to destroy one galley, if we have a fleet to back up our efforts.

	14-06-2003 21:51									#6
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Well, I saw (and understood) your numbers, I just thought you forgot about the 10%... sorry for misreading you

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	16-06-2003 20:08									#7
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I wasn't actually sure about the 10% defense bonus on water. I know someone did some tests on it, but IIRC the result was no defense bonus. I may very well be recalling incorrectly though.

Still, as long as the change in odds is small enough, the theory still holds. 1 vs 1.1 is close enough that the attacker still has a slight advantage (0.853 losses per enemy galley sunk).